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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #225 on: September 24, 2009, 02:46:51 am »
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I had a go at it, but I had to fudge my working a bit, pretty sure I f**cked up somewhere, could someone show me where?

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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #226 on: September 24, 2009, 03:20:29 am »
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seems ok good. However remember that if then but the converse is not true. e.g: however so you may have missed some solutions. Although the idea to use the geometric series is spot on :)

/0 has a habit of recycling questions in different threads Ive noticed :P. this one is slightly similair:
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,13271.msg149423.html#msg149423

It's also quite interesting how complex numbers can be used to do trigonometry that can also be done geometrically. (a formula for cosx+cos2x...cosnx can be derived both with complex numbers and with just geometry by treating it as a vector sum(sum of the horizontal components of unit vectors))
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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #227 on: September 24, 2009, 03:28:55 am »
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So to clarify, if I have exp(ix)=some real number, I cannot assume that cos(x)=that real number?

EDIT: Thanks for clarifying, I just misunderstood what you meant, you shouldn't be scaring me like that this time of the year  ;D
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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #228 on: September 24, 2009, 01:27:26 pm »
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that statement is true. since "exp(ix)=some real number" implies that the imaginary part is zero and so cosx=that real number.  However all I meant to say is that say for some real number x, if cosx=a, then it's not neccesary that exp(ix)=a since the imaginary part may happen to be non-zero. But I just realised your method does NOT suffer from that mistake! since you used exp(ix)+exp(-ix)=2cosx. LOL sorry it was too late at night and didn't realise that and just thought you solved exp(ix)+exp(2ix)....=0 instead.
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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #229 on: September 24, 2009, 02:08:08 pm »
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Awesome solution. Another method would be:



Or perhaps the more highschooley method could be to use De Moivre's to derive expansions for and and to use that to construct a polynomial in .

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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #230 on: September 24, 2009, 02:20:47 pm »
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For interest's sake, there's also a purely geometric way to find the formula for cosx+cos2x...+cosnx. It comes from this diagram:

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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #231 on: September 24, 2009, 09:13:44 pm »
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For interest's sake, there's also a purely geometric way to find the formula for cosx+cos2x...+cosnx. It comes from this diagram:


Rofl I remember a question like this in an exam about working out the perimeter the geometric way.
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« Reply #232 on: September 24, 2009, 09:18:58 pm »
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Here's a fun one:

Prove that

where
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« Reply #233 on: September 24, 2009, 09:29:17 pm »
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For interest's sake, there's also a purely geometric way to find the formula for cosx+cos2x...+cosnx. It comes from this diagram:


Rofl I remember a question like this in an exam about working out the perimeter the geometric way.

Lol that was a NSW Exam I think... pretty wack stuff

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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #234 on: September 24, 2009, 09:30:22 pm »
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For interest's sake, there's also a purely geometric way to find the formula for cosx+cos2x...+cosnx. It comes from this diagram:


Rofl I remember a question like this in an exam about working out the perimeter the geometric way.

Lol that was a NSW Exam I think... pretty wack stuff
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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #235 on: September 24, 2009, 10:20:25 pm »
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lol wtf the looks so reduntant. Might as well have been or any function with positive range.
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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #236 on: October 12, 2009, 07:12:08 pm »
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Here's a fun one:

Prove that

where

Since as and , the above limit exists and is zero.

(what was the purpose of this question?)

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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #237 on: October 12, 2009, 07:14:24 pm »
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Here's a fun one:

Prove that

where

Since as and , the above limit exists and is zero.

(what was the purpose of this question?)
Must there be a purpose?

(what was the purpose of your answer?)
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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #238 on: October 12, 2009, 07:17:07 pm »
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Must there be a purpose?

(what was the purpose of your answer?)

The purpose of my answer was to illustrate this question's lack of a purpose.

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Re: Recreational Problems (SM level)
« Reply #239 on: October 12, 2009, 07:18:47 pm »
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for more rigour i would sandwhich the motherfucker:







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The purpose of my answer was to illustrate this question's lack of a purpose.

lol true the looked so redundant to me.
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