Racism or rape?

[ninwa]

AN ARAB man has been jailed on a rape charge after an Israeli court ruled he had duped a Jewish woman into consensual sex by lying about his ethnicity.

The Jerusalem District Court sentenced Sabbar Kashur, 30, to 18 months behind bars on Monday, after finding that he had had sex with the woman by posing as a Jewish bachelor interested in a long-term relationship.

When the woman found out he was not a Jew, she filed a police complaint that led to charges of rape and indecent assault. In a plea deal, Kashur later agreed to the charge of rape by deception, the liberal Haaretz daily newspaper said.

http://www.news.com.au/world/arab-sabbar-kashur-found-guilty-of-rape-after-consensual-sex-with-jewish-woman/story-e6frfkyi-1225895349629#ixzz0uNAXxTsd


(note: under Australian law that would also probably be convicted as rape)

[Cthulhu]

They should both be stoned for having sex out of marriage.

[Whatlol]

They should both be stoned for having sex out of marriage.

they arent in iran.

[Russ]

^^
It was humour.

Anyway, ninwa, you're the law student aren't you? What's the legal definition of/requirement for rape by deception in Australia?

[/0]

wow I actually don't know which side to barrack for, they are both douchey

[Chavi]

@Ninwa - how is this considered racism?

[chocolate05]

racist because the sex was consensual but as soon as she found out he wasn't jew all hell broke loose

[ninwa]

Anyway, ninwa, you're the law student aren't you? What's the legal definition of/requirement for rape by deception in Australia?

Crim was a year ago so I'll let you know when I get home (am at work) but the test is something like if you lie about something which is fundamental to who you are (so lying about your occupation doesn't count but lying about your marital status does), and the person has sex with you on the basis of that lie, then it's rape.

@Ninwa - how is this considered racism?

Dunno, got it from the article.

Kashur, who is married and has two small children, called the verdict racist.

[Whatlol]

^^
It was humour.

I was just joking. sorry )=

[Yitzi_K]

Anyway, ninwa, you're the law student aren't you? What's the legal definition of/requirement for rape by deception in Australia?

Crim was a year ago so I'll let you know when I get home (am at work) but the test is something like if you lie about something which is fundamental to who you are (so lying about your occupation doesn't count but lying about your marital status does), and the person has sex with you on the basis of that lie, then it's rape.

Well according to that definition, it is most definitely rape.

The way I see it, it can be only be 'consensual' if the woman is in full possession of the facts. If she isn't, then she's incapable of making a true decision. It's just like how we say that 'consensual' sex with a minor is still illegal, because the child is not deemed capable of making a decision.

I certainly wouldn't call it racism, because the same law could apply even on a question that has nothing to do with race.

[vexx]

Am i the only one who sees this as utterly outrageous that rape is lessened to that of a lie? This is absolutely ridiculous. It's just a lie, people lie all the time, even in these circumstances to have sex with someone, it does not mean that she was 'raped', wow contacting the police because someone you slept with someone lied to you- woop big deal..

[Kennybhoy]

Technically both.

But not really. I don't think Australians would really understand the customs and ideologies in Israel so it really isn't for any of us to judge if it's racist or not. Indeed, in this society it is racist but it's not right to force upon your culture and values onto another country (just like the "racist" KFC commercial).

Plus, my Dad forbids me to go out with fob Asian girls in case they're out to get themselves free permanent residence. Is he racist?

[andy456]

Am i the only one who sees this as utterly outrageous that rape is lessened to that of a lie? This is absolutely ridiculous. It's just a lie, people lie all the time, even in these circumstances to have sex with someone, it does not mean that she was 'raped', wow contacting the police because someone you slept with someone lied to you- woop big deal..

I agree I think this is an abuse of the legal system in a way. It just doesn't seem right to me that it became 'rape' after she found out that he lied about his religion. But that is merely my opinion. 

[Eriny]

Plus, my Dad forbids me to go out with fob Asian girls in case they're out to get themselves free permanent residence. Is he racist?

yes

[darlok]

Anyway, ninwa, you're the law student aren't you? What's the legal definition of/requirement for rape by deception in Australia?

Crim was a year ago so I'll let you know when I get home (am at work) but the test is something like if you lie about something which is fundamental to who you are (so lying about your occupation doesn't count but lying about your marital status does), and the person has sex with you on the basis of that lie, then it's rape.

Well according to that definition, it is most definitely rape.

The way I see it, it can be only be 'consensual' if the woman is in full possession of the facts. If she isn't, then she's incapable of making a true decision. It's just like how we say that 'consensual' sex with a minor is still illegal, because the child is not deemed capable of making a decision.

I certainly wouldn't call it racism, because the same law could apply even on a question that has nothing to do with race.

So has a woman raped me if she wears makeup, high heels and a padded bra? I think that the law makes sense in a few cases e.g. pretending to be your identical twin in order to sleep with your sisters husband, but this is a case of blatant racism.