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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #7935 on: June 29, 2014, 02:40:35 pm »
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Pharmacology sounds awesome! But how r third year subject? R they interesting too? Anyone done them?

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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #7936 on: June 29, 2014, 02:45:21 pm »
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Timetabling is 9am monday and my study plan is messed up so I won't be able to choose lecture/tutorial times for 2 of my subjects :/
It's probably best I go to the science student centre on monday 9am in that case.
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« Reply #7937 on: June 29, 2014, 03:39:14 pm »
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I thought it was 10 am?

Whoops it is! That works out for me well in that case, hopefully I can get help enrolling in my subjects before then :)

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« Reply #7938 on: June 29, 2014, 05:01:12 pm »
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Pharmacology sounds awesome! But how r third year subject? R they interesting too? Anyone done them?

This semester I did Drugs in Biomedical Experiments and Drugs: Discovery to Market, which are the two compulsory subjects for the Pharmacology major.

The first one is a practical subject and it requires very, very little time for revision. There is a 3 hour prac and 2 workshops each week. The workshops usually introduce you to the prac and give a bit of foundation knowledge. There are assessments for four of the pracs (30%) and for each prac you have to do a write-up in your lab book (10%).

You're strongly encouraged to do the whole write-up during the actual practical session - like they actually get annoyed if you do stuff out of class and say the can always tell who does it since they've been marking lab books for about 20 years, so again there's not a whole lot you need to do for that out of class.

It's an application based subject and most (if not all) of the learning is done during the actual prac. Each prac is pretty much like solving a problem or finding an answer to a question - which is why it was so much better than your regular chemistry and biology pracs from first year. You go in with a general idea of what might happen, but your thoughts will continuously be challenged and it's actually pretty fun putting forward explanations for all your results. Pracs pretty much consist of organ baths and high-throughput assay systems, and you'll test certain drugs, measure responses and draw conclusions. The very last prac actually involves you being administered a drug or a placebo (you don't know which one you get) and by measuring your signs before and after administration, you need to figure out which drug you were given (of course taking the drug is entirely optional).

But that's basically it, you'll be given a drug you don't know much about, and you'll do a series of tests to try and figure out, for example if the drug is an agonist (full or partial), antagonist (irreversible/reversible competitive/allosteric) or even if it's toxic/safe to use. Alternatively, you'll be given a tissue you don't know much about, and then by using known agonists and antagonists of certain receptors, you'll be expected to figure out what sort of receptors are present on the tissue. It sounds simple enough, but a lot of things occur that you don't expect to occur, and you need to try and figure out why that happens - and you'll do that sometimes by tweaking the experimental procedure.

You're expected to develop a number of practical and critical thinking skills and be able to use them in largely unfamiliar situations. As a result, for the MST and exam, you don't need to spend much time revising - and the coordinators stress this to you themselves.

I'll write a proper subject review on it going into more detail soon, but this subject required about 1-2 hours commitment outside of class per week, and exam revision required about 5 hours in total for most people I know, and it was so much more enjoyable that I thought it would be.

The other subject is the theory based one, and it was also run quite well. This subject, as the name suggests, teaches you about how companies/organisations actually discover drugs and the journey many of them take until they get onto the market. You learn about different types of receptors and natural interactions in the body and how we can develop drugs to elicit desirable outcomes while minimising adverse effects.

You also learn about different classes of drugs we can use and the advantages/disadvantages associated with them. Of course there's a lecture on each phase of the clinical trial and you learn about how and why they're conducted. There are also a series of lectures building on your pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic knowledge from last year - which also ties in with designing drugs with certain properties. All in all it's pretty well put together subjects - especially when looking back on it now.
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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #7939 on: June 29, 2014, 05:44:55 pm »
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Hey guys I know timetabling comes out tomorrow but im pretty sure i failed 2-3  subjects. Is there any point to me even doing a timetable? as my subjects will most likely change...

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« Reply #7940 on: June 29, 2014, 06:08:09 pm »
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Is timetabling on an iPad advisable, or should I seek out a computer?
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« Reply #7941 on: June 29, 2014, 07:21:18 pm »
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And fkn ~23 contact hours next semester.... Booooo

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« Reply #7942 on: June 29, 2014, 07:22:53 pm »
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At least it's not 26

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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #7943 on: June 29, 2014, 07:23:51 pm »
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Biochemistry and molecular biology still sounds like the exact opposite of what I enjoy, and I'm terrible at chemistry. But the more I look through Honours and Masters studies, the more apparent how important the subject is. :/ If I don't have a basic understanding of molecular biology, I would be pretty useless as a neuroscientist.

But cognitive psychology sounds so fascinating and psychology has always been my best subject. Should I drop research-based physiology instead? Everyone says it's very easy if you've completed human physiology, and it's awesome to have a 30% exam. But I hate working with people or showing up to university, and it's 5% class participation + 5% PRS participation = 10% for showing up to university. And there are 3 hour practicals every week working with your group members, with most marks for the subject dependent on these practicals. However, research-based physiology is a prerequisite for third year experimental physiology, which sounds awesome. I guess I love the idea of research, but not the idea of working with other researchers lolll.

Should I go for:

Choice 1: cognitive psychology, principles of human structure, research-based physiology, living longer: a global diagnosis
Choice 2:  biochemistry and molecular biology, principles of human structure, research-based physiology, living longer: a global diagnosis
Choice 3:  cognitive psychology, principles of human structure, biochemistry and molecular biology, living longer: a global diagnosis

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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #7944 on: June 29, 2014, 07:40:23 pm »
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I got a yellow subject with a check box but I can't check it to enroll. Anyone know if I'm just going full potato?

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Re: UoM General Chat
« Reply #7945 on: June 29, 2014, 07:42:37 pm »
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Yeah, i seriously considered the switch out of research-based phys because I don't want to be forced to turn up to uni. I'm not sure about cognitive or physiology, but as far as biochem goes, you can do well without being a chemlord. i sucked ass at first year chem but bcmb20002 is all about rote learning and is a joke compared to the breadth of horseshit in anatomy.

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« Reply #7946 on: June 29, 2014, 07:49:48 pm »
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I got a yellow subject with a check box but I can't check it to enroll. Anyone know if I'm just going full potato?

I receive that when I have subjects lined up I haven't completed the prerequisites for yet. It changes upon completion of prerequisites.
Yeah, i seriously considered the switch out of research-based phys because I don't want to be forced to turn up to uni. I'm not sure about cognitive or physiology, but as far as biochem goes, you can do well without being a chemlord. i sucked ass at first year chem but bcmb20002 is all about rote learning and is a joke compared to the breadth of horseshit in anatomy.

to get a last minute opinion: what's the mood like in the research based phys practicals? All i remember in first year chem pracs was chitting my trousers for 3 hours. is it like that where we have to have reports/ etc by the end of the prac to hand in?

Yeaaah apparently BCMB20002 doesn't involve much chemistry, but so far in my degree I've receive H1 for every single subject except Chemistry 2, where I scored 58 overall haahahahahahah. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED.

If it helps, El2012 noted that while the practicals themselves involve group work, you completely write up your own reports and major assignments independently. So your group members shouldn't impact on your grade too much. I just don't want to talk to hoomans ;_;

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« Reply #7947 on: June 29, 2014, 08:06:58 pm »
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thanks nubs for your answer! I have less that a day to think if I want to take pharm or research based physio :-s

by the way...pharmacology is nothing like microbiology,right? hopefully it is not! :-ssssss
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Ballerina, I done cognitive and I was sooooooooo bad at psych in general,but I manage to get H3 by not understanding anything :D. so if you r good at it then you will have no problem doing great in it. Also their essay topic is so easy to understand, so in general if you r good at understanding psych, then you have no problem with it. personally found social psych more interesting than cognitive, but it is purely depend on your interest :)
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and just to finish,I found a job which asked me to work for them in the mornings,then human physiology lectures are also in mornings and require attendance...I am like...money or 10%? money or 10%?...:( :D

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« Reply #7948 on: June 29, 2014, 08:21:44 pm »
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thanks nubs for your answer! I have less that a day to think if I want to take pharm or research based physio :-s

by the way...pharmacology is nothing like microbiology,right? hopefully it is not! :-ssssss
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Ballerina, I done cognitive and I was sooooooooo bad at psych in general,but I manage to get H3 by not understanding anything :D. so if you r good at it then you will have no problem doing great in it. Also their essay topic is so easy to understand, so in general if you r good at understanding psych, then you have no problem with it. personally found social psych more interesting than cognitive, but it is purely depend on your interest :)
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and just to finish,I found a job which asked me to work for them in the mornings,then human physiology lectures are also in mornings and require attendance...I am like...money or 10%? money or 10%?...:( :D

Thank you! Yeah cognitive psychology seems aaaamazing, and it's awesome that it has a similar format to last year/biological psychology. I decided to go for Choice 3. It's the most difficult option and will probably smash my GPA to pieces, but cognitive psychology is way too interesting and I don't play well with others.

Do you have a friend who goes to the lectures and has room for two PRS clickers in their bag?  :-X

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« Reply #7949 on: June 29, 2014, 08:33:58 pm »
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Should I drop research-based physiology instead?

Should I go for:

Choice 1: cognitive psychology, principles of human structure, research-based physiology, living longer: a global diagnosis
Choice 2:  biochemistry and molecular biology, principles of human structure, research-based physiology, living longer: a global diagnosis
Choice 3:  cognitive psychology, principles of human structure, biochemistry and molecular biology, living longer: a global diagnosis

Choice 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ARHHGBGBGNBGJGBKSNBSJSH
If you want to learn about biochemistry you can always listen to the lectures outside of uni during the holidays then that way you won't be assessed on subject content you don't particularly like.

Just re-posting my comments about research phys:
*If you work smartly during the semester, you are most certainly going to be rewarded with a high mark (they showed statistics for how many people received a H1 during the previous semester that I took the subject and it was something like 50% :l Most subjects are like 20% )
*The content that is taught is 90% the same as PHYS20008, so it's really just like doing one physiology subject as opposed to two
*Not many (not sure if any at all) subjects allow you to hand in drafts for the staff to give you written feedback about how you can improve on the assignment for your final submission, PHYS20009 does!
*The lab classes are actually really fun, not boring at all!
* 1 lecture a week!
*The exam is worth 30% and 90% of the exam content is questions repeated from past exams, I found that you could really maximize your marks when you collaborated with other people about possible solutions

Here's some other reasons I just thought of:
*They give you 2 weeks following your prac to write up your prac report (which has 5 or so questions based 90% off of lectures but referring to the data you recorded during the prac).

*If you grab your prac partners phone number/facebook you can double check you have the correct data

*The staff in the labs are really helpful if you have any questions

and just to finish,I found a job which asked me to work for them in the mornings,then human physiology lectures are also in mornings and require attendance...I am like...money or 10%? money or 10%?...:( :D

Just attend 50% of lectures for human phys if you really have no other choice, and inform the work of your availability.
Research phys also has a PRS requirement for attending morning lectures afaik.

I decided to go for Choice 3.

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