[SPLIT] DO SAC SCORES MATTER FOR 47?

[VivaTequila]

47 - 50 study scores are purely exam dependent - they don't even look at your sacs, so if you want a 50, you could do jack shit  the whole year and get like 58/60 on the exam, and get a 50. Just saying.

wroong so wrong

ummm, seeing as my teacher is the exec examiner of english, and does the selection  of 50's, 49's, 48's and 47's with the chief examiner, the other executive examiners and the exam writer about 3 or so week after the english exam, mighte just have a clue as to how everything is judged, just quietly...

Teachers can't be assessors - it's a requirement of the VCAA just in case they recognize a students work in the exam and unfairly mark them. I don't think you're teacher is the executive english examiner.

[Greatness]

47 - 50 study scores are purely exam dependent - they don't even look at your sacs, so if you want a 50, you could do jack shit  the whole year and get like 58/60 on the exam, and get a 50. Just saying.

wroong so wrong

ummm, seeing as my teacher is the exec examiner of english, and does the selection  of 50's, 49's, 48's and 47's with the chief examiner, the other executive examiners and the exam writer about 3 or so week after the english exam, mighte just have a clue as to how everything is judged, just quietly...

Teachers can't be assessors - it's a requirement of the VCAA just in case they recognize a students work in the exam and unfairly mark them. I don't think you're teacher is the executive english examiner.

Really? a few of my teachers are examiners/assessors.

[werdna]

47 - 50 study scores are purely exam dependent - they don't even look at your sacs, so if you want a 50, you could do jack shit  the whole year and get like 58/60 on the exam, and get a 50. Just saying.

wroong so wrong

ummm, seeing as my teacher is the exec examiner of english, and does the selection  of 50's, 49's, 48's and 47's with the chief examiner, the other executive examiners and the exam writer about 3 or so week after the english exam, mighte just have a clue as to how everything is judged, just quietly...

Teachers can't be assessors - it's a requirement of the VCAA just in case they recognize a students work in the exam and unfairly mark them. I don't think you're teacher is the executive english examiner.

Teachers CAN be assessors.. but of course they're not allowed to mark exams from their school (they name the school they're teaching at so there's no issues there).

Oh and ulbasour, you've got it all wrong...

[nacho]

yes, there is nothing wrong with a teacher being an assessor, one of mine is.
from my understanding, it's just the exam writer's who can't be. an assessor/exam marker is told nothing of what's going to be on the exam

[chemkid_23]

I doubt that. They would tell assessors somethings on how to mark certain questions, so one way or another they will know some stuff that will be focused on

[nbhindi]

Quick question nacho if you go to Mac Rob then why is your gender male???

[Greatness]

Quick question nacho if you go to Mac Rob then why is your gender male???

Lol. he doesnt go to macrob

[Jdog]

yeah this ulbasour bloke has got it wrong.

I mean how could it possibly be fair that a person with 100/100 sacs and a 57on an exam gets less that a 58 with 20/100

[jane1234]

believe what you want, but from my teachers lips, from 50- 47 they rank you purely on your exam scores.
And my teacher is one of the few who decide on who gets the 50,49,48.

I highly doubt this. If you are at the bottom of a weak cohort (let's say a D average in SACs) and the rest of your class gets mainly Cs and Ds in the exam, then even if you got 100% in the exam your D would NOT become an A+.

And there is no way in hell anyone would see GA1: D GA2: D GA3: A+ Study Score: 50 on results day. If only it was that easy...

[paulsterio]

For a subject like English, in which no one really gets a 60/60

umm, luffy, a guy who went to our school last year got 60/60 for his exam, just saying LOL!

and oi, what are you doing here, you don't even do english

but i've heard my fair share of this misinterpretation of information as well
YES, if you're two standard deviations from the mean, you are ranked SOLELY on your exam scores, but to have that privelage, you MUST first be in that group of 2 standard deviations from the mean (ie 45ish+)

this means that those who get 46 to 50 are differentiated solely on their exam score, ie a person who gets 50 WILL DEFINATELY have a higher exam score than one who gets 49, but you won't be a part of that group in the first place if you don't do well in sacs, its just that for the sake of ranking those ALREADY IN THAT GROUP - sacs are discounted

better?

[luffy]

believe what you want, but from my teachers lips, from 50- 47 they rank you purely on your exam scores.
And my teacher is one of the few who decide on who gets the 50,49,48.

I highly doubt this. If you are at the bottom of a weak cohort (let's say a D average in SACs) and the rest of your class gets mainly Cs and Ds in the exam, then even if you got 100% in the exam your D would NOT become an A+.

And there is no way in hell anyone would see GA1: D GA2: D GA3: A+ Study Score: 50 on results day. If only it was that easy...

My response is detailed directly by Jane. Clearly, one of the few in this thread who is thinking exactly as I am. So, what your saying is that if you somehow aced the exam, despite failing the SAC's, VCAA would also adjust SAC marks to an A+, despite the fact that they should be a D? Are they even allowed to do that? LOL. If that is the case, I feel slightly better about my subjects, due to my poor english language sac marks....

[ulbasour]

1) Anyone can be a vce assessor and a teacher...the exam writer is the only person who can't teach
2) You base your accusations i'm wrong on what basis ??
3) Haters gone hate
4) It's verbatim; argue as much as you want, it's how the system works. Obviously if you ace the Exam but your sacs don't correlate you will be investigated by VCAA. Ultimately what I'm trying to get across is the fact that a person who has a B on their SACS is by no means disadvantaged compared a top rank student with an A+ to get a 50 - it ultimately all comes down to Exam marks for those top few study scores. Trust me, I'm well rehearsed in the system of VCE English and know a lot more about how it all works.

[nacho]

1) Anyone can be a vce assessor and a teacher...the exam writer is the only person who can't teach
2) You base your accusations i'm wrong on what basis ??
3) Haters gone hate
4) It's verbatim; argue as much as you want, it's how the system works. Obviously if you ace the Exam but your sacs don't correlate you will be investigated by VCAA. Ultimately what I'm trying to get across is the fact that a person who has a B on their SACS is by no means disadvantaged compared a top rank student with an A+ to get a 50 - it ultimately all comes down to Exam marks for those top few study scores. Trust me, I'm well rehearsed in the system of VCE English and know a lot more about how it all works.

im not gonna trust someone who says 'haters gonna hate'
because no one is hating, only debating

[ulbasour]

1) Anyone can be a vce assessor and a teacher...the exam writer is the only person who can't teach
2) You base your accusations i'm wrong on what basis ??
3) Haters gone hate
4) It's verbatim; argue as much as you want, it's how the system works. Obviously if you ace the Exam but your sacs don't correlate you will be investigated by VCAA. Ultimately what I'm trying to get across is the fact that a person who has a B on their SACS is by no means disadvantaged compared a top rank student with an A+ to get a 50 - it ultimately all comes down to Exam marks for those top few study scores. Trust me, I'm well rehearsed in the system of VCE English and know a lot more about how it all works.

im not gonna trust someone who says 'haters gonna hate'
because no one is hating, only debating

Haha relax, its just a bit of humor ... anyway, all i wanted to do was let people know that it's not the end of the world if you don't get an A+ or on A, or if you drop a mark in the sac, it just comes down to how well you do on your exam for the 50

[paulsterio]

guys, does it really matter? just give everything your best shot and who cares about how the system works?