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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16140 on: February 19, 2018, 01:47:21 pm »
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This. I used to do spesh exam 2s in an hour and come the day of the exam, I got so paranoid about checking over my answers that it took me 100 minutes. I ended up not having the time to check through my entire exam and ironically lost marks for careless errors because I was too careful (didn't have time to check)

If you just want to find asymptotes, you don't even have to divide. One way is this. Your vertical asymptote is obvious; x = 2. Your horizontal asymptote is the y value you get when x becomes large. Now, if x becomes large (positive or negative), 4x - 7 is close to 4x. Try it for x = 1000000 etc. Similarly, x - 2 is close to x. Therefore you would expect (4x - 7)/(x - 2) to be very close to 4 as x gets large.
Don't really understand your explanation - could you please expand on it?
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16141 on: February 19, 2018, 02:40:21 pm »
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Don't really understand your explanation - could you please expand on it?
Here's a simpler example. Consider y = (x + 1)/x. I say x + 1 is close to x, for large x, because if x is something large like 10000000, x + 1 = 10000001, which is very close to 10000000 proportionally (you can see this). Therefore, if you divide the two, you should get something very close to 1.

Let's plug in some numbers in the original question.
If x = 10000, then 4x-7 = 39993. x-2 = 9998. 39993 is less than 0.1% away from 40000. Similarly, 9998 is less than 0.1% away from 10000 too. So, you would expect 39993/9998 to be very close to 40000/10000 = 4.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16142 on: February 19, 2018, 03:01:52 pm »
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How would you guys go about answering part -d- of this question? Page 61 of the year 12 Cambridge book. The worked solutions ignore it.
If you graph r in terms of x, the range is R. However, it makes sense to say that r can't realistically (in the real world) be negative nor could it be zero. So would the answer be R+? As in, (0,infinity)?

Here is my solution.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16143 on: February 20, 2018, 09:31:54 pm »
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1. Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y = 5/(x-3)^2-7 to y = 1/x^2
Translation of 3 units to the left
Translation of 7 units up
Dilation of factor 1/5 from the x-axis

2. y =Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y= (3x+2)^2+5 to y = x^2
Dilation of factor 3 from the y-axis
translation of 2 units to the right
translation of 5 units down

Am i correct so far?
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16144 on: February 20, 2018, 09:34:59 pm »
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1. Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y = 5/(x-3)^2-7 to y = 1/x^2
Translation of 3 units to the left
Translation of 7 units up
Dilation of factor 1/5 from the x-axis
Am i correct?
yep, just make sure to use words like "in the positive direction of the x-axis" rather than left/right in the exam

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16145 on: February 20, 2018, 09:43:58 pm »
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yep, just make sure to use words like "in the positive direction of the x-axis" rather than left/right in the exam
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Do you know if my second question was correct aswell?

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16146 on: February 20, 2018, 09:56:09 pm »
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2. y =Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y= (3x+2)^2+5 to y = x^2
Dilation of factor 3 from the y-axis
translation of 2 units to the right
translation of 5 units down

Am i correct so far?
yeah should be fine :)

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16147 on: February 20, 2018, 10:02:10 pm »
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yeah should be fine :)
The answers to my first question said it was a translation of 7/5 unit up. Could this be a mistake in the solutions?

Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y = -3(3x+1)^2 + 7 to the graph of y = x^2
Dilation of factor 3 from y axis
Translation of 1 unit to the right
Translation of 7 units down
Are these correct so far?
 
And could someone please explain what the other sequence of transformations are?

Really confused with these last two
Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y = 2*(4-x)^(1/2) to (x)^(1/2)

Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y = 2*(4-x)^(1/2)+3 to -(x)^(1/2)+6

y = 3/x^2
find the rule after the graph has undergone the following
1. dilation of factor 2 from the x-axis
2. Translation of 2 units in the negative direction of x-axis and 1 unit in the negative direction of the y-axis
3. Reflection in the x-axis

1.  dilation of factor 2 from the x-axis
y = 2(3/x^2)
y = 6/x^2

2. Translation of 2 units in the negative direction of x-axis and 1 unit in the negative direction of the y-axis
y = 6/x^2
y = 6/(x+2)^2
y = 6/(x+2)^2 - 1

3. y = 6/(x+2)^2 - 1
y = - (6/(x+2)^2 - 1)
y = -6/(x+2)^2+1

Am i correct with this?

I'm really confused with transformations - does anyone know a website which explains it really well and provides difficult examples?

And how do you determine the order of the transformations for a graph?
Thanks :)
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16148 on: February 20, 2018, 10:15:56 pm »
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The answers to my first question said it was a translation of 7/5 unit up. Could this be a mistake in the solutions?

there are multipe ways of answering the same transformation question and the order is very important

for example

y =Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y= (3x+2)^2+5 to y = x^2

I would simplify it to y = (3(x+2/3))^2 + 5

>Translation 5 units in negative direction of y-axis
 y = (3(x+2/3))^2
>Translation 2/3 units in the positive direction of the x-axis
 y = (3(x))^2
>Dilate by factor 3 from the y-axis
y = x^2

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16149 on: February 21, 2018, 07:15:26 am »
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The answers to my first question said it was a translation of 7/5 unit up. Could this be a mistake in the solutions?

Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y = -3(3x+1)^2 + 7 to the graph of y = x^2
Dilation of factor 3 from y axis
Translation of 1 unit to the right
Translation of 7 units down
Are these correct so far?
 
And could someone please explain what the other sequence of transformations are?

Really confused with these last two
Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y = 2*(4-x)^(1/2) to (x)^(1/2)

Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y = 2*(4-x)^(1/2)+3 to -(x)^(1/2)+6

y = 3/x^2
find the rule after the graph has undergone the following
1. dilation of factor 2 from the x-axis
2. Translation of 2 units in the negative direction of x-axis and 1 unit in the negative direction of the y-axis
3. Reflection in the x-axis

1.  dilation of factor 2 from the x-axis
y = 2(3/x^2)
y = 6/x^2

2. Translation of 2 units in the negative direction of x-axis and 1 unit in the negative direction of the y-axis
y = 6/x^2
y = 6/(x+2)^2
y = 6/(x+2)^2 - 1

3. y = 6/(x+2)^2 - 1
y = - (6/(x+2)^2 - 1)
y = -6/(x+2)^2+1

Am i correct with this?

I'm really confused with transformations - does anyone know a website which explains it really well and provides difficult examples?

And how do you determine the order of the transformations for a graph?
Thanks :)

Typically, I find a lot of people make mistakes when trying to describe transformations this way, particularly for horizontal transformations. I much prefer the algebraic method as it tends to minimise these mistakes. It is also much easier to use when the function you start with is not a simple function (such as y=x^2 or similar power function).
Note - it is vitally important that you identify what your pre-image variables (denoted x and y below) and image variables (denoted x' and y' below) are when using this technique:



So one possible sequence of transformations for the above would be:
- A dilation of factor 1/2 from the x-axis, then
- A reflection in the x-axis, then
- A reflection in the y-axis, then
- A translation of 15/2 units up and 4 units right

You do need to be somewhat flexible when solving problems of this type as there are technically an infinite number of transformation sequences that could be described (if we described them in a different order, the transformations would be slightly different, for example) and typically, VCAA likes to ask this as a multiple-choice question, so you may need to recognise a sequence that you haven't found as being equivalent to the one you have. This is most important with power functions (where the direction of dilations and reflections is interchangeable (although the dilation factors may change)) and circular functions (where sine and cosine can be considered horizontal translations of one another).

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16150 on: February 21, 2018, 08:04:41 am »
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Typically, I find a lot of people make mistakes when trying to describe transformations this way, particularly for horizontal transformations. I much prefer the algebraic method as it tends to minimise these mistakes. It is also much easier to use when the function you start with is not a simple function (such as y=x^2 or similar power function).
Note - it is vitally important that you identify what your pre-image variables (denoted x and y below) and image variables (denoted x' and y' below) are when using this technique:



So one possible sequence of transformations for the above would be:
- A dilation of factor 1/2 from the x-axis, then
- A reflection in the x-axis, then
- A reflection in the y-axis, then
- A translation of 15/2 units up and 4 units right

You do need to be somewhat flexible when solving problems of this type as there are technically an infinite number of transformation sequences that could be described (if we described them in a different order, the transformations would be slightly different, for example) and typically, VCAA likes to ask this as a multiple-choice question, so you may need to recognise a sequence that you haven't found as being equivalent to the one you have. This is most important with power functions (where the direction of dilations and reflections is interchangeable (although the dilation factors may change)) and circular functions (where sine and cosine can be considered horizontal translations of one another).
Don't really understand your explanation - could you please elaborate on it?
Also, if possible, can you please help with the other questions I posted?
Thanks :)

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16151 on: February 21, 2018, 11:31:13 am »
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By convention, we usually denote our 'pre-image' cartesian variables (that is, before transformation) as.
Similarly, we usually denote our 'image' cartesian variables (that is, after transformation) as
For that particular question, we are transforming
As far as the notation described is concerned, that means we are transforming the pre-image to the image.
Transformations can be described by investigating how each individual cartesian variable is transformed. To do this, we need to compare each pre-image variable to its corresponding image variable. To do so, in each equation, we need to transpose to collect all of the vertical transformations on the same side of each equation as the vertical variable (and ensure all of the horizontal transformations are on the same side of the equation of the horizontal variable):

For the pre-image equation, we can subtract 3 from both sides, then divide both by 2. For the image equation, we can subtract 6 from both sides then divide both sides by -1.

Now we equate each pre-image variable expression with its corresponding image variable expression to determine the transformations that have been performed on each variable (note that, from this point onwards, the function itself is irrelevant - we are doing this for a square root, but we can apply exactly the same principal to any other function in the course):

To identify the transformations that have occurred, we need to find how we obtain each image variable from its pre-image counterpart. That is, we need to transpose each equation to get the image variable in terms of the pre-image variable:

Focusing on the vertical transformations:
Multiplying y by 1/2 dilates vertically (i.e. from the x-axis) by a factor of 1/2.
Multiplying y by a negative changes its sign (i.e. reflects in the x-axis).
Adding 15/2 to y translates all points 15/2 units up.

Now focusing on the horizontal transformations:
Multiplying x by a negative changes its sign (i.e. reflects in the y-axis).
Adding 4 to x translates all points 4 units right.

You can apply this technique to any "find the sequence of transformations..." type question. That is, for each of the following:
Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y = -3(3x+1)^2 + 7 to the graph of y = x^2

Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y = 2*(4-x)^(1/2) to (x)^(1/2)

Find a sequence of transformations that takes the graph of y = 2*(4-x)^(1/2)+3 to -(x)^(1/2)+6

We can use the same idea to apply transformations as well. For instance, for
y = 3/x^2
find the rule after the graph has undergone the following
1. dilation of factor 2 from the x-axis
2. Translation of 2 units in the negative direction of x-axis and 1 unit in the negative direction of the y-axis
3. Reflection in the x-axis
We have a pre-image equation of and an unknown image equation.
We have transformation equations:
Note that in this case, because the reflection has been done last, I've applied it last (i.e. multiplication of all of 2y-1 by -1).
Because we want the image equation, we want our equation in terms of the image variables. If we transpose our transformation equations to get each pre-image variable in terms of their corresponding image variables, we can then substitute into the pre-image equation and transpose:

So the answer that you obtained is indeed correct.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16152 on: February 21, 2018, 11:37:23 pm »
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Trying to find the x intercepts to this equation
2*(x-3)^(1/2)+1=0
2*(x-3)^(1/2)=-1
(x-3)^(1/2)=-1/2
x-3=(-1/2)^2
x-3 = 1/4
x = 1/4 + 3
x = 1/4 + 12/4
x = 13/4

Can someone please tell me why this woudn't work?

Also, does anyone know how to find the coordinates of the point of Zero gradient and the axis intercepts for the equation y = -2(x+1)^3

Thanks :)
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16153 on: February 22, 2018, 12:53:11 am »
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Trying to find the x intercepts to this equation
2*(x-3)^(1/2)+1=0
2*(x-3)^(1/2)=-1
(x-3)^(1/2)=-1/2
x-3=(-1/2)^2
x-3 = 1/4
x = 1/4 + 3
x = 1/4 + 12/4
x = 13/4

Can someone please tell me why this woudn't work?

Also, does anyone know how to find the coordinates of the point of Zero gradient and the axis intercepts for the equation y = -2(x+1)^3

Thanks :)
That is how you would work out the x intercepts but you have to make sure it's a valid answer

The square root of anything can never be negative, hence there is no solution (ie this expression cannot equal -1).

Another way to check would be to substitute the answer in and see if it works.


For your other question:
To find the point of zero gradient, solve for dy/dx =0 to get the x value then substitute that into the initial equation to find the y coordinate for that x value.
Axis intercepts you'd do the same as any other equation.

If you're still stuck on something let me know :)
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #16154 on: February 22, 2018, 12:59:27 am »
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Trying to find the x intercepts to this equation
2*(x-3)^(1/2)+1=0
2*(x-3)^(1/2)=-1
(x-3)^(1/2)=-1/2
x-3=(-1/2)^2
x-3 = 1/4
x = 1/4 + 3
x = 1/4 + 12/4
x = 13/4

Can someone please tell me why this woudn't work?

Also, does anyone know how to find the coordinates of the point of Zero gradient and the axis intercepts for the equation y = -2(x+1)^3

Thanks :)

More specifically, you have to be very careful when applying a non-invertible operation. A non-invertible operation is an operation that's many-to-one, i.e. no unique inverse. Squaring, for instance, is non-invertible because, given a squared number, you cannot uniquely determine what was squared.

Example. Let's say I have x = -1. Then I write x^2 = 1. Then I write x = 1 by 'square rooting'. Problem?
Alternatively, suppose we have x = pi. Then  I write sin(x) = 0. Then x = 0. Problem?

The problem in the first example is that two numbers square to 1, so if you square something, you potentially introduce extra solutions. Similarly, as infinitely many numbers solve sin(x) = 0, taking the sine of both sides is introducing more solutions.

How is this relevant to your question?

You can't square both sides here because doing so introduces the solution

which is what your equation actually solves.
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