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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3750 on: January 14, 2014, 05:56:06 pm »
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i did exactly that, CAS is coming up with weird solutions for a and b.

a is supposed to equal 0
b is supposed to equal -1
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3751 on: January 14, 2014, 06:58:14 pm »
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A patient suffering with hypothermia after being lost in the snow for 2 days is covered in
thermal blankets and warmed so that his body temperature can return to normal levels.The change in body temperature (T°C) from the initial temperature that occurs during thermal treatment is modelled by the equation T = A loge (t − b) where t represents the time in minutes. The initial body temperature is 35.7°C and it reaches 36.1°C ten minutes after treatment is initiated.
(a)   What is the value ofT when t = 0?
(b)   Find the value of b.
(c)   Find the value of A.

help please! question is bugging me.
(a) T=35.7
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Solve simultaneously for A and b
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3752 on: January 14, 2014, 07:23:21 pm »
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I assume b will end up being negative, too.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3753 on: January 14, 2014, 07:49:02 pm »
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i did exactly that, CAS is coming up with weird solutions for a and b.

a is supposed to equal 0
b is supposed to equal -1

Not sure A=0 is correct. If A=0 it makes the whole question retarded and stuffed
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3754 on: January 14, 2014, 08:14:00 pm »
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help with this literal simultaneous equation

for the equations ax+by=p and bx-ay=q , show that x=(ap+bq)/(a^2+b^2) and y=(bp-aq)/(a^2+b^2)
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3755 on: January 14, 2014, 08:31:04 pm »
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Start by labeling each equation so that it'll make it easier to work with. We should also note that are constants

Now we have two equations and we want to solve for the constant and . So we can use one of two methods to solve the simultaneous equations, either substitution or elimination. For the sake of it lets pick the elimination method.
Now we want to multiply each equation by something that will give us two equations, of which the coefficient on the or the are the same for both. That will then allow us to subtract or add one equation from the other to 'eliminate' one of the variables.
Lets start by trying to eliminate , since the two coefficients of for each equation are different and not factors of each other, the lowest common multiple will be , so to get this in equation [1] we need to multiply equation [1] by and multiply equation [2] by .

Now since we have the same term in both we are able to take one equation from the other, so we'll take equation [4] from equation [3].

Now that we have the required expression for we can substitute this back into the first equation to find .


For the substitution method we want to firstly rearrange one of the equations to get either or , then 'substitute' this expression into the other equation to find an expression for the other variable not in terms of the first variable. Then finally we substitute the expression for the second variable back into the first equation we rearranged to get the first variable in terms of no other variables.

So firstly rearranging one of the equations to get in terms of .

Next substituting that expression we found into the other equation, here that is the second equation. Then we rearrange the expression for the other variable, so here that is .

Now finally we substitute this expression back into our first rearranged equation to find .

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3756 on: January 14, 2014, 10:14:40 pm »
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Now since we have the same term in both we are able to take one equation from the other, so we'll take equation [4] from equation [3].

thanks for the answer but when you were doing [4]-[3] what happened to the q? the next part says p(b-a) but the q is gone?
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3757 on: January 14, 2014, 10:27:31 pm »
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thanks for the answer but when you were doing [4]-[3] what happened to the q? the next part says p(b-a) but the q is gone?
Typo, fixing now.

EDIT: Fixed.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3758 on: January 15, 2014, 09:42:59 pm »
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Hi, does anyone recommend a particular topic i look over these holidays?  I've tidied up my linear solving etc and did a fair bit of quadratics including graphing etc, i had a quick look at cubics but starting to do some logs, anyone recommend a specie topic that is more important than others and therefore should have a look over these holidays.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3759 on: January 15, 2014, 09:45:09 pm »
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Hi, does anyone recommend a particular topic i look over these holidays?  I've tidied up my linear solving etc and did a fair bit of quadratics including graphing etc, i had a quick look at cubics but starting to do some logs, anyone recommend a specie topic that is more important than others and therefore should have a look over these holidays.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3760 on: January 15, 2014, 09:50:53 pm »
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probability

I heard that isn't covered in units 3-4?
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3761 on: January 15, 2014, 09:54:36 pm »
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I heard that isn't covered in units 3-4?
It's a fair chunk of units 3/4. It is quite a bit different than the probability that you cover in Methods 1/2, arguably the prob in 3/4 is easier than the prob in 1/2.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3762 on: January 15, 2014, 09:58:52 pm »
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It's a fair chunk of units 3/4. It is quite a bit different than the probability that you cover in Methods 1/2, arguably the prob in 3/4 is easier than the prob in 1/2.

It's like chapter 15 in my textbook so i think we'll cover it later in the year, any other topics you suggest that i will need in 3-4 or are vital for 1-2?
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« Reply #3763 on: January 15, 2014, 11:06:32 pm »
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It's like chapter 15 in my textbook so i think we'll cover it later in the year, any other topics you suggest that i will need in 3-4 or are vital for 1-2?

Basically you'd want to do well in every single subsection of 1/2 because 3/4 simply builds on that knowledge.

Don't neglect any subsections because they'll come to haunt you in 3/4. I sorta took it easy on Functions and transformations, now i have to look through all of it again and again because they're such a critical foundation for everything that you learn!
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #3764 on: January 16, 2014, 01:04:11 am »
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Basically you'd want to do well in every single subsection of 1/2 because 3/4 simply builds on that knowledge.

Don't neglect any subsections because they'll come to haunt you in 3/4. I sorta took it easy on Functions and transformations, now i have to look through all of it again and again because they're such a critical foundation for everything that you learn!

I've heard transformations before, what does it actually mean?
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