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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6165 on: October 09, 2014, 12:12:24 am »
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hey guys
Having some stats problems.....(or maybe just not good at justifying things)

i have to analyse frequency of letters and create statistics about the population frequencies of certain letters occurring within a random given text.

the problem is, what could be the smallest sufficiently large sample that i could use....
there are a few formulae around the internet but i dont know which to use.
i am given nothing about the population statistics of the frequency of the certain letters i am analysing so no standard deviation or mean.

no idea where to begin, teacher says do whatever you want as long as you can justify it.

someone please help!!
thanks :)

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6166 on: October 09, 2014, 10:08:17 am »
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hey guys
Having some stats problems.....(or maybe just not good at justifying things)

i have to analyse frequency of letters and create statistics about the population frequencies of certain letters occurring within a random given text.

the problem is, what could be the smallest sufficiently large sample that i could use....
there are a few formulae around the internet but i dont know which to use.
i am given nothing about the population statistics of the frequency of the certain letters i am analysing so no standard deviation or mean.

no idea where to begin, teacher says do whatever you want as long as you can justify it.

someone please help!!
thanks :)

You don't need population parameters to make a statistical inference. There are SO many things you can do given what little information you seem to have, so let's do a confidence interval.

We know that if is binomial, then has an approximate normal distribution. This means that will be the inner 95% of our distribution.

So, let's model this problem as a binomial distribution, where p represents the probability of finding a letter we want in our sample, and n is the amount of letters we analyse. We can then use to estimate the probability of the population. We can then arrange this interval to be:


Then, all you have to do is choose n such that this interval is small enough for you to be satisfactory with your result. Note that the expected value of X, np, will be the frequency of the specific letters.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6167 on: October 09, 2014, 04:26:48 pm »
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heres the answer to that question you guys were having trouble with. i dont get why our method didnt work

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6168 on: October 09, 2014, 05:36:43 pm »
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heres the answer to that question you guys were having trouble with. i dont get why our method didnt work

Because they added the wrong number. Check their arithmetic.

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« Reply #6169 on: October 09, 2014, 05:50:56 pm »
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which one?

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« Reply #6170 on: October 09, 2014, 05:55:01 pm »
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Oh, wait, my bad.

Yeah, I don't see how their working actually makes sense. I'll look at it again when I'm not delirious on chemicals.

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« Reply #6171 on: October 09, 2014, 06:05:25 pm »
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Hey guys I don't know why but I struggle with understanding questions like these (attached). In this occasion I found the range but then I have to choose between ) and ].

I know ] means included and ) not included, but I just don't know how to tell if it's included or not. Is there a way to find which to use for questions like these?

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« Reply #6172 on: October 09, 2014, 06:41:53 pm »
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Hey guys I don't know why but I struggle with understanding questions like these (attached). In this occasion I found the range but then I have to choose between ) and ].

I know ] means included and ) not included, but I just don't know how to tell if it's included or not. Is there a way to find which to use for questions like these?

The maximum of the function occurs when f(-5) = 4 in the domain [-5,4). Since x = -5 is included in the domain, and the minimum is f(3) = 0, where x = 3 is also in the domain, the range is [0, 4]
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« Reply #6173 on: October 09, 2014, 06:45:15 pm »
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Hey guys I don't know why but I struggle with understanding questions like these (attached). In this occasion I found the range but then I have to choose between ) and ].

I know ] means included and ) not included, but I just don't know how to tell if it's included or not. Is there a way to find which to use for questions like these?
Graph the function as if 4 were included. If the highest or lowest y-value occurs at x=4 (ie the one you'll put into your interval), then that value isn't included because 4 isn't. If the number you put into your range interval is at x=-5, then include it because -5 is included.

Any other number will be included because the graph is continuous between -5 and 4.

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« Reply #6174 on: October 09, 2014, 07:07:25 pm »
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Can someone tell me how to find the discriminant on TI-nspire CAS (black)?

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« Reply #6175 on: October 09, 2014, 07:52:52 pm »
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Can someone tell me how to find the discriminant on TI-nspire CAS (black)?

AFAIK, there is no in-built function for this on the TI-nspire. You can make a program if you are so inclined, but there's no real need for it, as you can remember the formula for the discriminant through the quadratic equation (the discriminant is under the square root sign) and then you just need to plug the numbers through the CAS.

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« Reply #6176 on: October 09, 2014, 08:40:07 pm »
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AFAIK, there is no in-built function for this on the TI-nspire. You can make a program if you are so inclined, but there's no real need for it, as you can remember the formula for the discriminant through the quadratic equation (the discriminant is under the square root sign) and then you just need to plug the numbers through the CAS.

The discriminant isn't always under the square root sign. For starters, what if it's a perfect square? Then you won't see the perfect square. Also, if it's something like x^2 - 2x - 2, the calculator would spit out 1 +- sqrt 3, but the discriminant is 12
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« Reply #6177 on: October 09, 2014, 08:43:55 pm »
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The discriminant isn't always under the square root sign. For starters, what if it's a perfect square? Then you won't see the perfect square. Also, if it's something like x^2 - 2x - 2, the calculator would spit out 1 +- sqrt 3, but the discriminant is 12

In the general quadratic equation, not the solution to the quadratic, the discriminant is always under the square-root sign - that's how you can prove that the discriminant works.

If is the discriminant, then the solution to the quadratic is .

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6178 on: October 09, 2014, 09:27:28 pm »
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How would you do these questions?

A piece of wire 100cm in length is to be cut into two pieces,one piece of which is to be shaped into a circle and the other a square.


a) how should the wire be cut if the sum of the enclosed areas is to be a minimum ?
b)how should the wire be used to obtain a maximum area?

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #6179 on: October 09, 2014, 09:50:44 pm »
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How would you do these questions?

A piece of wire 100cm in length is to be cut into two pieces,one piece of which is to be shaped into a circle and the other a square.


a) how should the wire be cut if the sum of the enclosed areas is to be a minimum ?
b)how should the wire be used to obtain a maximum area?

So you have two pieces. Let x be the length of, say, the piece being made into a square. Find the area of the resultant square.
Also, the length of the piece of the circle is then 100-x. This is the circumference of the circle. Find the radius and hence the area of the circle.
Add the above to get a function of x that gives the total area. Minimise/maximise this depending on the question's needs.
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