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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11475 on: July 21, 2015, 10:07:22 pm »
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For the image attached.

How is

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11476 on: July 21, 2015, 10:12:13 pm »
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For the image attached.

How is
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P(X>=a) = P(X>a)+P(X=a)

But, for a continuous random variable, P(X=a)=0 (this is by properties of integrals - if you don't understand this, revise those from which chapter is your integration chapter)

So:

P(X>a)+P(X=a)=P(X>a)+0=P(X>a)

This means that:

P(X>=a)=P(X>a)

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11477 on: July 21, 2015, 10:20:16 pm »
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P(X>=a) = P(X>a)+P(X=a)

But, for a continuous random variable, P(X=a)=0 (this is by properties of integrals - if you don't understand this, revise those from which chapter is your integration chapter)

So:

P(X>a)+P(X=a)=P(X>a)+0=P(X>a)

This means that:

P(X>=a)=P(X>a)

Thanks so much EulerFan101  :)

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11478 on: July 21, 2015, 10:21:23 pm »
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For the question attached and solution.

find Pr(X > 9 |X > 8.5).

What did they do to   the denominator?

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11479 on: July 21, 2015, 10:24:54 pm »
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Are we required to know the limit formulas attached?

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11480 on: July 21, 2015, 10:31:23 pm »
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For the image attached.

isn't there meant to be an open circle at x=0 ?

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11481 on: July 22, 2015, 02:05:29 am »
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How come when i integrate on the CAS i get     .



But when i do it by hand i get  ?

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11482 on: July 22, 2015, 07:21:39 am »
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How come when i integrate (Image removed from quote.) on the CAS i get     (Image removed from quote.).



But when i do it by hand i get  (Image removed from quote.) ?

The calculator should not be giving you that answer, are you sure you're not putting in the intervals of the integral? The only way you can get a number without the 'x' in integration is by initial conditions, which this question clearly does not have:


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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11483 on: July 22, 2015, 12:14:13 pm »
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For the question attached and solution.

find Pr(X > 9 |X > 8.5).

What did they do to   the denominator?

They just split it up - it's a bit more clear if we include both bounds:



So, splitting this up, we get:



There's not really too much reason to do this - just that they had already calculated the probability that X was greater than 9, so this might've made the calculation slightly simpler?

Are we required to know the limit formulas attached?

You should know how to use them, yes. Consider the following probability density functions:




These pdfs go off to infinity - so to actually integrate them and ensure that the area under both curves is 1, you need to know how to integrate up to infinity - which, initially, will mean being able to use those limit formula. As an experiment (/for some practice using them), you should check that the following is a valid pdf:



For the image attached.

isn't there meant to be an open circle at x=0 ?

There is an open circle at x=0? Remember, pdfs should be defined *everywhere*, so it's about where the open/closed circle appears as a coordinate, not just the x-value.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11484 on: July 22, 2015, 05:17:50 pm »
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They just split it up - it's a bit more clear if we include both bounds:

(Image removed from quote.)

So, splitting this up, we get:

(Image removed from quote.)

There's not really too much reason to do this - just that they had already calculated the probability that X was greater than 9, so this might've made the calculation slightly simpler?

You should know how to use them, yes. Consider the following probability density functions:

(Image removed from quote.)
(Image removed from quote.)

These pdfs go off to infinity - so to actually integrate them and ensure that the area under both curves is 1, you need to know how to integrate up to infinity - which, initially, will mean being able to use those limit formula. As an experiment (/for some practice using them), you should check that the following is a valid pdf:

(Image removed from quote.)

There is an open circle at x=0? Remember, pdfs should be defined *everywhere*, so it's about where the open/closed circle appears as a coordinate, not just the x-value.

Thanks so much EulerFan101  :)

But at the coordinate (0,0) in the photo for the elsewhere graph shouldnt there be an open circle there?

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11485 on: July 22, 2015, 05:19:21 pm »
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The calculator should not be giving you that answer, are you sure you're not putting in the intervals of the integral? The only way you can get a number without the 'x' in integration is by initial conditions, which this question clearly does not have:

(Image removed from quote.)

Thanks cosine   :)

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11486 on: July 22, 2015, 05:35:20 pm »
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Are these types of questions part of the study design?(attached)


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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11487 on: July 22, 2015, 06:50:40 pm »
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For this question attached how would you find  correct to 4 decimal places?

Is my working out fine .



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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11488 on: July 22, 2015, 11:22:22 pm »
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Thanks so much EulerFan101  :)

But at the coordinate (0,0) in the photo for the elsewhere graph shouldnt there be an open circle there?

No - you'll notice that x=/=0 for the e^{-x} part. This means that the elsewhere part *does* have x=0, which would be the point (0, 0).

Are these types of questions part of the study design?(attached)

Yes - this is what's called a Riemann sum, and it turns out that the Riemann sum is exactly equal to the definite integral:



Where

For this question attached how would you find  (Image removed from quote.) correct to 4 decimal places?

Is my working out fine .

(Image removed from quote.)

Yes, that is exactly how this question is meant to be done.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #11489 on: July 22, 2015, 11:32:46 pm »
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No - you'll notice that x=/=0 for the e^{-x} part. This means that the elsewhere part *does* have x=0, which would be the point (0, 0).

Yes - this is what's called a Riemann sum, and it turns out that the Riemann sum is exactly equal to the definite integral:

(Image removed from quote.)

Where (Image removed from quote.)

Yes, that is exactly how this question is meant to be done.

Thanks so so much EulerFan101  :)

so if we are given a PDF where  one part of the graph is not  included for a particular interval.(like this example)
Does that mean the elsewhere part of the graph will be included?

Like for this example at x=0  we know that x=/=0 for the e^{-x} part.(not included-open circle)

so  does that mean x=0 will be included in the elsewhere part of the graph ?(closed circle)