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« on: December 10, 2011, 12:48:33 pm »
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Yeah hopefully :P

The guys that do 100, is their form correct? A lot of people tend to arch their back during the rep which enables heavier weights to be lifted but it's bad for the back.

Gold Standard is great value for money, i get 5lbs for $85 which is decent, I've seen it at GNC for way higher. Seriously guys if you are buying supplements don't go to GNC, they rip you off so bad.
Did you use the ammino charged WPI? Looks pretty decent, why did you switch?
I only use protein supplements at the moment, I might explore glutamines, recovery supps etc after school.

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Re: Supplements
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2011, 01:31:08 pm »
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how the hell can you bench 80... i only do 50 max :( on the up side I only weight 55kg so I don't have to do much cardio :P
I weigh 80 kg tho,  so don't worry!  To be classified strong you have to lift 1.5 your mass,  so i still got 40kg to go :p

Yep depends on your type of body and physique.  If you're naturally skinny and lean with not much muscle,  you have to bulk and not worry about cardio as much,  whereas someone like me who is naturally bulky needs to do cardio in conjunction with lifting,  which is annoying! Otherwise I'll keep putting muscle and fat and end up like some Russian weight lifting champion :p
Yeah hopefully :P

The guys that do 100, is their form correct? A lot of people tend to arch their back during the rep which enables heavier weights to be lifted but it's bad for the back.

Gold Standard is great value for money, i get 5lbs for $85 which is decent, I've seen it at GNC for way higher. Seriously guys if you are buying supplements don't go to GNC, they rip you off so bad.
Did you use the ammino charged WPI? Looks pretty decent, why did you switch?
I only use protein supplements at the moment, I might explore glutamines, recovery supps etc after school.

And zyzz was king of aesthetics, he's dead now, partly because of anabolics. check his fb page out and just youtube him haha

Their form on the bench is good but yes they get a bit of arch in there.  Which I think is the usual way to bench,  however yeah over arching is bad.  I for some reason lift my head off the bench,  it is pretty much in the spite of the moment. 

I got double rich chocolate for 90 + 1 free shaker from eavylyn faye in the city :)  what's gnc?!
I actually used protein synergy 5 but I think amino charged WPI would've been better,  or maybe the superior whey!
I just wanted to have a change,  i wasn't getting good gains,  but when I used gold standard,  i found that I had gained lots of muscle in the space of 2 months. - before and after pics :)

Yeah good idea.

Oh ok,  well ill have a look at him!
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Re: Supplements
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2011, 02:27:09 pm »
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I got double rich chocolate for 90 + 1 free shaker from eavylyn faye in the city   what's gnc?!
I actually used protein synergy 5 but I think amino charged WPI would've been better,  or maybe the superior whey!
I just wanted to have a change,  i wasn't getting good gains,  but when I used gold standard,  i found that I had gained lots of muscle in the space of 2 months. - before and after pics 
I googled eavylyn faye, didn't find anything :/
GNC is like a big supplement chain, as if you havn't seen them around haha. I either go to Australian Sports Nutrition or use http://thesupplementden.com.au/
I wouldn't think using a different supplement would change the way you put on muscle mass. Supplements make up like less than 10% of a difference and in the end, protein is protein. Maybe it was different water levels in your body at the time?

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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2011, 03:40:20 pm »
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Re: Supplements
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2011, 01:02:44 pm »
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Oh yeah WPI, WPC etc forgot about that :P Yeah then they do make a difference to gains haha, sorry about that.
I bought 10lbs gold standard for $140 and it's $170 on that site, so much price difference.
I've actually never tried any other proteins because gold standard seems pretty good, but I'm thinking of trying AST VP2, it's pretty expensive though.
Can you buy like 90%+ protein by weight?
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2011, 03:38:54 pm »
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I dunno wether this is relavent to the topic but has anyone ever tried chia? Apparently it's supposed to be the highest plant based source of omega 3. I really enjoy those nudies drinks with banana and chia seeds. What a great way to get omega 3 from a bottle.

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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2011, 05:39:53 pm »
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Oh yeah WPI, WPC etc forgot about that :P Yeah then they do make a difference to gains haha, sorry about that.
I bought 10lbs gold standard for $140 and it's $170 on that site, so much price difference.
I've actually never tried any other proteins because gold standard seems pretty good, but I'm thinking of trying AST VP2, it's pretty expensive though.
Can you buy like 90%+ protein by weight?

Hehe :p its cool!

Where from?! Is it cheaper to just buy it from aussie supplement websites?  I'd get it from bodybuilding.com but they don't ship ON here :(

Well ON hydrowhey ( about 75% protein per serving)  is meant to be bloody awesome but it's price is ridiculous!
International amino charged is good value for its price I guess ;)
Dynamtize has one with 90% protein by mass I think. Google it?
I dunno wether this is relavent to the topic but has anyone ever tried chia? Apparently it's supposed to be the highest plant based source of omega 3. I really enjoy those nudies drinks with banana and chia seeds. What a great way to get omega 3 from a bottle.


I think I have fish oil capsules in my pantry, never use them.  ;p my regular / casual diet is nutrient rich so I've never had to use vitamin tablets or anything.  Only protein supplement for me!

Chia seeds aren't prevalent in Indian cuisine,  however they put them in a drink/ dessert :)


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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2011, 05:50:41 pm »
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Well if it's the 10lbs I buy from thesupplementden, and if it's the 5lbs I buy from ASN. They are the cheapest that I have found them. Yeah I've looked into dymatize before, mrsupplement sells it but it's pretty expensive :P
Yeah I emailed bb.com asking why they don't ship a wide range of proteins to Australia, something about them having to have a license or something.. But I'm pretty sure they ship pre-workouts, my friend got 1MR from bb.com I think.
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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2011, 06:57:54 pm »
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fair enough . thanks, will look into those next time i buy ON!

yeah they'd be expensive lol, 90% protein by mass isnt ordinary :p

well they ship a lot of things, just some things like ON and stuff they dont. they ship over BSN stuff i think and etc etc :)

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Re: Supplements
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2011, 08:24:27 pm »
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If youre looking to cut fat, horley's ripped factors is great imo. Its about 85% protein, and the remaining 15% is designed to cut away fat (carnitine, caffeine etc). My mums a pharmacist so she gets it wholesale, but remarkably, Great Earth Discount Health shop (in camberwell) sells is for cheaper than she can buy it o.O

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2011, 10:40:36 am »
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If youre looking to cut fat, horley's ripped factors is great imo. Its about 85% protein, and the remaining 15% is designed to cut away fat (carnitine, caffeine etc). My mums a pharmacist so she gets it wholesale, but remarkably, Great Earth Discount Health shop (in camberwell) sells is for cheaper than she can buy it o.O
Never heard of it :s
1.3 kg is about 90 bucks so i think  economically and quality wise it'd be best to get magnum heat and acid stack ( thermogenic fat,  stimulant free burners, rated 1 on bodybuilding.com) and the protein of your choice.  If you get gold standard 5lb its like $90,  plus magnum heat and acid stack is $70 or so,  so 160 abouts for one high quality and lethal combo.  70 dollars in difference but personally id want something that has been used and produced positive results lots of times.,
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2011, 10:52:48 am »
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Well if it's the 10lbs I buy from thesupplementden, and if it's the 5lbs I buy from ASN. They are the cheapest that I have found them. Yeah I've looked into dymatize before, mrsupplement sells it but it's pretty expensive :P
Yeah I emailed bb.com asking why they don't ship a wide range of proteins to Australia, something about them having to have a license or something.. But I'm pretty sure they ship pre-workouts, my friend got 1MR from bb.com I think.
I've shipped ON from US before. The customs held onto my package until I could present a list of ingredients. They promptly let it through. Though I can see why BB.com would be hesitant in dealing with their bullshit. Incidentally, I managed to get a packet of DMAA through, which looks like fucking cocaine and arguably more tightly regulated then WP.
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2011, 10:57:37 am »
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how much ? was it cheaper than aussie prices if so?!
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2011, 11:40:49 am »
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The bb.com raw prices are so cheap, but bloody hell the shipping just makes it ridiculous. You need to buy about 15 tubs of anything for the netprice/tub to be competitive with the cheapest suppliers here.

I don't supplement protein. I eat a load of fish/chicken/lentils/milk everyday so I always exceed my macros for protein. Only thing that does concern me is how quickly after gym I can get some in my system. I managed to convince someone (enwiabe) to buy me a bunch of low carb protein bars though, that said I'd never buy them myself.

Fish oil tabs are quite good, but if you can get it from elsewhere it's fine.
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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2011, 12:05:15 pm »
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no protein supps arent necessary, however: as quoted from bb.com.

"The biggest advantage of protein supplements is not that they can build more muscle than turkey, chicken or egg whites or any other whole food protein, the biggest advantage is the convenience. Throwing down a protein drink or munching on a protein bar is much more convenient than preparing, cooking and cleaning up after cooking full meals.

Another advantage of supplemental protein sources is that they are manufactured to be digested faster than whole protein sources. In addition to rapid digestion, a very high percentage of good protein powders are completely digested and absorbed due to the amino acid profiles of the supplements and the lack of lactose or fat.

Protein supplements can also offer significant advantages over whole food sources. Good protein supplements can provide the needed amino acids, which are building blocks of muscle, as well as many other important supplements with adding extra, unneeded, fat contributing calories. Some of the better meal replacement products on the market today can also offer a lean enhanced nutritional profile that is hard to match while in the kitchen.

The argument among athletes and nutritionists however has focused primarily on the amount needed and whether if it makes any difference if you eat your protein from a supplement or from food.

If you have the money, it is certainly convenient to just drink down a high quality protein supplement, and adding a high quality supplement certainly can't hurt.

Beyond the convenience however, there is no substantial evidence that there is any advantage to consuming the [protein through supplementation. Does that mean you shouldn't take supplemental protein?

Absolutely not. There are obvious times when one source may have a greater advantage then the other. For example a "fast digesting" proteins such as whey isolate would be an ideal supplement to consume immediately upon waking and immediately following strenuous exercise when your blood amino acid levels are low.

Conversely, eating a protein meal can be advantageous as your last meal of the evening because the digestion process provides a slow steady stream of amino acids to the body when your next meal will not occur for several hours later.

The whole source meal can also speed up your metabolic rate as much as 30% because of the energy necessary to digest, process, and absorb it. This means that out of 100 calories of a protein food such as chicken breast, the net amount of calories left over after processing it is 70.

If you have the time and money, a majority of your protein intake should come from low fat high quality complete proteins food sources. Supplements can be incorporated at important times such as immediately upon waking, immediately prior to work outs (BCAA supplementation) and immediately following strenuous workouts for the optimum situation.

Bottom Line:
It really does not make much of a difference in what form you get your protein from as long as it's a complete protein and sufficiently digestible. For the purposes of developing muscle, the only guidelines for protein that you must follow are:

    Consume a source of complete protein with every meal
    Eat at frequent intervals approximately three hours apart (about six times per day)
    Consume a minimum of 1.0 grams to 1.5 grams per pound of body weight."



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