Why Medicine?

[Sellingman]

[MJRomeo81]

I'll start off by saying if you actually have true altruistic ambitions and want to med for the intellectual satisfaction and love of learning then go for it.

However I don't understand why people talk about the so called benefits of following such a career path. Medicine is an emotionally and psychologically draining career.

There is no money. There is no prestige.

Do you like being shafted to the sticks? Get used to it.
Do you mind being blamed by stupid patients and their equally stupid family? Get used to it.

You are NOT likely to be working in metro cities for long. They train excess number of doctors to be chucked to places that has only 2500 people, 6hrs drive from nearest regional city after internship. Say goodbye to your family and friends.

[nacho]

Re: topic


For a number of reasons, I guess I've always been a Science kid and furthermore, have always relished a challenge and a new learning experience in this field. Medicine does this for me, it is a dynamic field that is constantly mentally stimulating. This combined with the patient and colleague interactions, makes it the most challenging and interesting profession around. Additionally, any hesitations I had about Medicine immediately disappeared after my week at the RCH, the environment was simply inspiring, to say the least.

Yeh, so that's pretty much it

OK, Can you honestly say your parents have never suggested that you study medicine?

Where did I say that 99% of students are doing it for parents? I said that I am 99% sure due to the fact that TWO separate individuals picked medicine without hesitation, I find it unlikely given that they could succeed in any field they wanted.

oh my god dude
i seriously cannot take you anymore
so im going to be like you

I'm 99% sure you have no idea what you're talking about and you hold some bitter resentment to prospective med students of asian ethnicity for not being able to get into medicine yourself. 1% says that your trolling
look at this forum, 98% of it are top achievers, wise thinkers, intelligent folk of all culture and of all region
and not one person here agrees with you, so i think it's fair to say that your entire opinion on this matter is invalid
nice subs man, i bet you did spesh for the scale as well cause who does literature - the art of english and specialist maths?

look at that, u did bus man and got 47, you obviously like the way money goes around you probably just want a job for the money and power. wowzors you charge 50 bucks for your first lesson - thats more than 100% of the people offering tutoring on this website. i'm 99% sure you just want to tutor for the money and no other reason, you probably dont even care about your students cause if you did why would you do bus man and charge $50? Coincidence? I think not.

yea see how ridiculous you sound with your staggering figures, exaggerations and generalisations

Moderator action: removed real name, sorry for the inconvenience

[TrueTears]

http://www.academicleadership.org/article/Motivation_of_Asian_Americans_to_Study_Medicine_A_Pilot_Study

Done.

"There is a lot of just expectation of serving the family.” All interviewees agreed that Asians consider it important to get a college degree. One respondent stated that his mother and relatives “really push for school. School is the answer to everything; they believe that medicine is the surest way to make money, have prestige and be an important member of the community. It is more of a cultural thing – parents stress education a lot.”"

that's quite a nice journal you have there, however i'd like to point out something

did you ever bother to check out the sample size?

"The study target population consisted of 29 first and second year students self-identifying their race as “Asian.” The study sample consisted of 10 first year (M1) and second year (M2) Asian American medical students, comprising about one-third of the Asian American students in first or second year for the studied school. "

is that sufficient evidence to support your claim of

I said there were a large amount of students of Asian decent trying to get in because their parents push them and a lot of students who want the prestige/money of it all.

?

So I presume your definition of "large amount" of students of asian decent is comprised around 10 or so people?

nice... do the same survey in China and then see what you get


I end my argument here, as i feel like discussing this idea further makes me dumber, , f(x) my intelligence function and T the time I spend reading your claims.

9/10 of the students said that family aspirations were for them to be a doctor. Argue with that big boy.

nope im not arguing against off topic statements, read what i said, and read what u said, dont feel the need to explain again

[Sellingman]

http://www.academicleadership.org/article/Motivation_of_Asian_Americans_to_Study_Medicine_A_Pilot_Study

Done.

"There is a lot of just expectation of serving the family.” All interviewees agreed that Asians consider it important to get a college degree. One respondent stated that his mother and relatives “really push for school. School is the answer to everything; they believe that medicine is the surest way to make money, have prestige and be an important member of the community. It is more of a cultural thing – parents stress education a lot.”"

that's quite a nice journal you have there, however i'd like to point out something

did you ever bother to check out the sample size?

"The study target population consisted of 29 first and second year students self-identifying their race as “Asian.” The study sample consisted of 10 first year (M1) and second year (M2) Asian American medical students, comprising about one-third of the Asian American students in first or second year for the studied school. "

is that sufficient evidence to support your claim of

I said there were a large amount of students of Asian decent trying to get in because their parents push them and a lot of students who want the prestige/money of it all.

?

So I presume your definition of "large amount" of students of asian decent is comprised around 10 or so people?

nice... do the same survey in China and then see what you get


I end my argument here, as i feel like discussing this idea further makes me dumber, , f(x) my intelligence function and T the time I spend reading your claims.

9/10 of the students said that family aspirations were for them to be a doctor. Argue with that big boy.

nope im not arguing against off topic statements, read what i said, and read what u said, dont feel the need to explain again

You're saying the sample space is too small for the argument to be valid. I think you're clutching at straws, if they felt they needed a larger sample space for accurate results they probably would've got more students. I find the findings valid.

[b^3]

Sellingman, in the duration of tonight your sig has changed from 98.xx to 99.25. You have changed your "area" in your sig from western suburbs to eastern suburbs. If you aren't trolling then I don't know what is. Don't go around generalising and saying what other people are doing and why they are doing it.

[dc302]

The findings are clearly valid, but are they very supportive of any particular point? No, because exactly as you have said, sample space. If you believe things with such a small sample space then you must be pretty easy to persuade. In fact, if you were in my shoes you'd think the opposite, because the people that I know doing/trying to get into med are NOT doing it for their parents.

[TrueTears]

http://www.academicleadership.org/article/Motivation_of_Asian_Americans_to_Study_Medicine_A_Pilot_Study

Done.

"There is a lot of just expectation of serving the family.” All interviewees agreed that Asians consider it important to get a college degree. One respondent stated that his mother and relatives “really push for school. School is the answer to everything; they believe that medicine is the surest way to make money, have prestige and be an important member of the community. It is more of a cultural thing – parents stress education a lot.”"

that's quite a nice journal you have there, however i'd like to point out something

did you ever bother to check out the sample size?

"The study target population consisted of 29 first and second year students self-identifying their race as “Asian.” The study sample consisted of 10 first year (M1) and second year (M2) Asian American medical students, comprising about one-third of the Asian American students in first or second year for the studied school. "

is that sufficient evidence to support your claim of

I said there were a large amount of students of Asian decent trying to get in because their parents push them and a lot of students who want the prestige/money of it all.

?

So I presume your definition of "large amount" of students of asian decent is comprised around 10 or so people?

nice... do the same survey in China and then see what you get


I end my argument here, as i feel like discussing this idea further makes me dumber, , f(x) my intelligence function and T the time I spend reading your claims.

9/10 of the students said that family aspirations were for them to be a doctor. Argue with that big boy.

nope im not arguing against off topic statements, read what i said, and read what u said, dont feel the need to explain again

You're saying the sample space is too small for the argument to be valid. I think you're clutching at straws, if they felt they needed a larger sample space for accurate results they probably would've got more students. I find the findings valid.

let me make an example for ya, doesn't seem like your brain can handle complex ideas. I can interview a small sample size right now by calling 10 of my friends and i can assure you that all 10 of them would say they are doing med not because it'll make their parents feel happy, does that mean this evidence is supportive of your claim of "large amount of students of Asian decent..." ?

1) yes - if your definition of "large" is restricted to the sample size of 29 or so people

2) no - if your definition of "large" is that of common sense.

Do you see why the size of the sample makes a huge difference now?

and no im not clutching at straws, im clutching at how mathematical statistics works, obviously you haven't learnt much stats have you?

[nacho]

omg truetears please ban him he must be troll

[Sellingman]

Sellingman, in the duration of tonight your sig has changed from 98.xx to 99.25. You have changed your "area" in your sig from western suburbs to eastern suburbs. If you aren't trolling then I don't know what is. Don't go around generalising and saying what other people are doing and why they are doing it.

I just found out what Pixon's real name was based on his scores in his sig, so I changed mine to hide my identity which I want protected. If you like, I can find out your real name as well.

@DC302, but you're applying for PG med, I can't comment on this demographic as they are older and I don't know them as well, I'm referencing Y12 applicants.

To be honest, I wouldn't find that data particularly convincing either if it weren't every single one of my Indian mates doing the UMAT and in general being fixated on medical school.


I'm not disagreeing that 10 is too small a sample size, it's more so general evidence I see around me and the amount of attention medicine receives on this forum.

[Sellingman]

I'll start off by saying if you actually have true altruistic ambitions and want to med for the intellectual satisfaction and love of learning then go for it.

However I don't understand why people talk about the so called benefits of following such a career path. Medicine is an emotionally and psychologically draining career.

There is no money. There is no prestige.

Do you like being shafted to the sticks? Get used to it.
Do you mind being blamed by stupid patients and their equally stupid family? Get used to it.

You are NOT likely to be working in metro cities for long. They train excess number of doctors to be chucked to places that has only 2500 people, 6hrs drive from nearest regional city after internship. Say goodbye to your family and friends.

Summed it up better than I can put it. With all this in mind, why do so many of my Asian mates wanna do med if what I'm saying is incorrect?

[Callum]

I've always thought about this if it was the case or not. What I ended up believing is that 'Asain' students work harder and are pushed by their parents a lot more than 'Australians' (You can disagree with this if you like but at my school this seemed to be the case). Therefore they are able to get a higher ATAR at the end of the year. This opens more career pathways and because med is an option they are able to take it because they want to do it, not because they're pushed to do it. If I got a high score I would want to do med because I like helping people and I've got a general interest in the human body but because I knew I wouldn't get a score close to what is required, I didn't even consider it.

[TrueTears]

Sellingman, in the duration of tonight your sig has changed from 98.xx to 99.25. You have changed your "area" in your sig from western suburbs to eastern suburbs. If you aren't trolling then I don't know what is. Don't go around generalising and saying what other people are doing and why they are doing it.

I just found out what Pixon's real name was based on his scores in his sig, so I changed mine to hide my identity which I want protected. If you like, I can find out your real name as well.

I'm sorry but mate that is no excuse to "fake" your scores and so on. Your sig clearly says you are offering tuition, I'd say that's false advertising. If someone contacted you for tuition on the premise of seeing the scores in your sig don't you think that's a bit fake?

If you wanna hide your identity, that's fine, but don't put you're offering tuition in your sig if you're gonna fake your results and so on. I don't wanna think you're trolling since you've made some good points, just that you seem to be a bit ignorant of some of your posts...

Anyhow I don't wanna lock this thread cause there was some good discussions, so let's get back to the topic guys

[b^3]

Sellingman, in the duration of tonight your sig has changed from 98.xx to 99.25. You have changed your "area" in your sig from western suburbs to eastern suburbs. If you aren't trolling then I don't know what is. Don't go around generalising and saying what other people are doing and why they are doing it.

I just found out what Pixon's real name was based on his scores in his sig, so I changed mine to hide my identity which I want protected. If you like, I can find out your real name as well.

@DC302, but you're applying for PG med, I can't comment on this demographic as they are older and I don't know them as well, I'm referencing Y12 applicants.

To be honest, I wouldn't find that data particularly convincing either if it weren't every single one of my Indian mates doing the UMAT and in general being fixated on medical school.


I'm not disagreeing that 10 is too small a sample size, it's more so general evidence I see around me and the amount of attention medicine receives on this forum.

This is going to be off-topic, but I'm going to say this. If thats what you were worried about then why not just remove the numbers. You are looking to tutor and so having results that aren't yours in your sig and a fake atar score is "false advertising" since students look at your results to determine wether they want to get you as a tutor.

EDIT: Truetears beat me by 14 seconds.

[nacho]

I just found out what Pixon's real name was based on his scores in his sig, so I changed mine to hide my identity which I want protected. If you like, I can find out your real name as well.

What?
You're advertising as a tutor, prospective students will need to know/find out your real name won't they?
sounds off to me, interloper