When people ask me what my problem with religion is, one answer is not enough

[Menang]

Genesis->Exodus->Leviticus->Numbers->Deuteronomy = "God's Word"

There's still some pretty crazy stuff even in those though. More so, I don't see how even context affects some of these at all. Example:

For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him.

My personal favourite is one that enwiabe ironically seems to follow

Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.

Ahahaha.

Just pointing out that these rules are pre-Jesus. The general consensus is that there were lots of wacky-rules pre-Jesus because the Israelites needed them or something. I can't remember.

Regarding the "stealing/piracy" one, I actually think downloading copyrighted music and movies isn't the best thing to be doing, morally, but it's a bit of a guilty pleasure. So I do it, but I know it's wrong and I don't try to justify it using religion or otherwise.

There are subtleties to approaching the Bible, things like taking the Old Testament for it's historical accuracy but recognizing that the Books of Law was intended for a time where no Jesus = no grace. But the main thing, that requires no intellectual theology or historical contextualisation, is also what the average practicing Christian will think of when we think of religion. It's basically, people do bad things, God sends Jesus to die for us, Jesus gives us grace, and we try to be as much like Jesus as possible.

Religion, to me, is not denying rationality or an insurance from hell or a set of rules. It's having a relationship with God and striving to be like Jesus, and that's the crux of it. I can't see how this is detrimental to society. I understand this is a personal view, but it's a view that's shared by most, if not all, Christians I know. Yes, there are extremists, but I think there's a lot of good to religion that goes unrecognised.

[enwiabe]

The way Enwiabe dealt with aurelian was a disgustingly poor effort.

He made ad hominem attacks against me, so I served him back some of his own medicine and told him what I thought of him. A bit harsh, perhaps, but nothing abusive.

[nacho]

Why i hate religious debates:

When thread was made we are at point A.
Up until now, we seemed not to have moved past point A..

The way Enwiabe dealt with aurelian was a disgustingly poor effort.

What i said was wrong, we actually move backwards in religious debates

[Mech]

That awkward moment when I lost the quote I was supposed to attach that reply to. 

[EvangelionZeta]

The way Enwiabe dealt with aurelian was a disgustingly poor effort.

He made ad hominem attacks against me, so I served him back some of his own medicine and told him what I thought of him. A bit harsh, perhaps, but nothing abusive.

Hmmm...Aurelian attacked militant atheism in general conceptually, but I don't really see the ad hominem in his post...=/

[Menang]

The way Enwiabe dealt with aurelian was a disgustingly poor effort.

He made ad hominem attacks against me, so I served him back some of his own medicine and told him what I thought of him. A bit harsh, perhaps, but nothing abusive.

Hmmm...Aurelian attacked militant atheism in general conceptually, but I don't really see the ad hominem in his post...=/

Ad hominem or not, there were valid, interesting points raised in his posts which I think was overlooked by targeting his use of latin/philosophy terms.

[Jdog]

Why i hate religious debates:

When thread was made we are at point A.
Up until now, we seemed not to have moved past point A..

The way Enwiabe dealt with aurelian was a disgustingly poor effort.

What i said was wrong, we actually move backwards in religious debates

mate stop trying to be such a peacemaker, just accept that we can have rants and debates, that is the good thing about this board. It allows people to argue and tell everyone what they really think. I don't mind enwiabe telling anyone what he thinks of them, but on the flipside I shuold be able to voice my own opinons.

[enwiabe]

Why i hate religious debates:

When thread was made we are at point A.
Up until now, we seemed not to have moved past point A..

The way Enwiabe dealt with aurelian was a disgustingly poor effort.

What i said was wrong, we actually move backwards in religious debates

mate stop trying to be such a peacemaker, just accept that we can have rants and debates, that is the good thing about this board. It allows people to argue and tell everyone what they really think. I don't mind enwiabe telling anyone what he thinks of them, but on the flipside I shuold be able to voice my own opinons.

Nobody stopped you from voicing your opinions... And you obviously did mind my telling Aurelian what I thought of him, given your comment that you thought what I said was "disgusting"

[shinny]

The way Enwiabe dealt with aurelian was a disgustingly poor effort.

He made ad hominem attacks against me, so I served him back some of his own medicine and told him what I thought of him. A bit harsh, perhaps, but nothing abusive.

Hmmm...Aurelian attacked militant atheism in general conceptually, but I don't really see the ad hominem in his post...=/

Ad hominem or not, there were valid, interesting points raised in his posts which I think was overlooked by targeting his use of latin/philosophy terms.

At the same time though, enwiabe did ask him to justify several points/blanket statements from which Aurelian more or less replied that he has reasons, but can't be bothered to type them out. The onus really is on him to provide this justification, so it's poor form by him in this sense. I'd be glad to see this justification though! Postpostpost.

[Jdog]

I didn't say you were stopping me, I was having  a go at nacho for trying to be some mediator

[enwiabe]

At the same time though, enwiabe did ask him to justify several points/blanket statements from which Aurelian more or less replied that he has reasons, but can't be bothered to type them out.

After I read "logic is too complicated for me to explain to you", I simply lost any interest. How can you even have a meaningful discussion with ridiculous statements like that?

[enwiabe]

I didn't say you were stopping me, I was having  a go at nacho for trying to be some mediator

I'd say the world probably needs more mediators.

[nacho]

thats enough jdog and enwiabe, break it up now XD

[EvangelionZeta]

At the same time though, enwiabe did ask him to justify several points/blanket statements from which Aurelian more or less replied that he has reasons, but can't be bothered to type them out.

After I read "logic is too complicated for me to explain to you", I simply lost any interest. How can you even have a meaningful discussion with ridiculous statements like that?

Explain logic please :p.

[Planck's constant]

Any VN's attending MCD University of Divinity in 2012 ?