BEST COURSE FOR ME?

[Truck]

the only reason people think that it's easier to get into it off BBioMed is because the BioMed cohort is generally stronger (higher ATAR) and hence, more of them will get through.

The UoM Biomed cohort is the strongest Undergrad cohort bar none. Anywhere.
It contains no fewer than 40 Chancellor's Scholars who are guaranteed entry into the MD
Many of the remainder have declined opprtunities to do undergrad Medicine elsewhere and have even torn up scholarship offers at other Universities.
They have proven themselves at VCE they are CONFIDENT that they can COMPETE and prove themselves again as undergraduates.

This is what it takes to compete for a spot at Australia's only World Class Medical School.
As it should be.

Sounds like you've been fed a lot of propaganda from Melb uni to be honest.

Monash MBBS is probably one of the most competitive courses in Victoria to get into, especially with most people not wanting to spend an extra 2 years studying + GAMSAT/Interview stress just to end up in the exact same internship as their Monash counterparts. Besides, both uni's are Go8, both courses are excellent, and nearly all the people I know from MHS who were offered both picked Monash MBBS over Chancellors @ Melb Biomed. The undergraduate cohort is no doubt excellent, but from what I've seen it's mostly comprised of people who didn't make it into Monash MBBS.

[pi]

and nearly all the people I know from MHS who were offered both picked Monash MBBS over Chancellors @ Melb Biomed.

Just to back this up, the final count was: 1 UoM Chancellors Biomed to 5 Monash MBBS

[BoredSatan]

the only reason people think that it's easier to get into it off BBioMed is because the BioMed cohort is generally stronger (higher ATAR) and hence, more of them will get through.

The UoM Biomed cohort is the strongest Undergrad cohort bar none. Anywhere.
It contains no fewer than 40 Chancellor's Scholars who are guaranteed entry into the MD
Many of the remainder have declined opprtunities to do undergrad Medicine elsewhere and have even torn up scholarship offers at other Universities.
They have proven themselves at VCE they are CONFIDENT that they can COMPETE and prove themselves again as undergraduates.

This is what it takes to compete for a spot at Australia's only World Class Medical School.
As it should be.

Sounds like you've been fed a lot of propaganda from Melb uni to be honest.

Monash MBBS is probably one of the most competitive courses in Victoria to get into, especially with most people not wanting to spend an extra 2 years studying + GAMSAT/Interview stress just to end up in the exact same internship as their Monash counterparts. Besides, both uni's are Go8, both courses are excellent, and nearly all the people I know from MHS who were offered both picked Monash MBBS over Chancellors @ Melb Biomed. The undergraduate cohort is no doubt excellent, but from what I've seen it's mostly comprised of people who didn't make it into Monash MBBS.

i get 99.75.. and still cant get into monash med.. zzz at fail umat and fail interview

[paulsterio]

No way is UoM BBioMed anywhere near as strong as Monash MBBS. Melbourne takes in A LOT of BBioMed students. A very small number of them are Chancellor's Scholars. On top of that, they take a ridiculous number of SEAS applicants. La Trobe dentistry has a stronger cohort and Monash MBBS would have a cohort just as strong, 99+ ATAR median, no doubt.

Because as I said, Australia has ONLY one World Class Medical School, the UoM School of Medicine
(or perhaps 1.5 World Class Medical schools if you count  Sydney University).
Thats how it is

oh stfu & gtfo! what do you define as "World Class?" and sources please!

[Planck's constant]

La Trobe dentistry has a stronger cohort and Monash MBBS would have a cohort just as strong, 99+ ATAR median, no doubt.

De Nile is a river in North Africa.

UoM has approx 45+ Chancellor's Scolars in Biomed plus a dozen or more in BSc who have chosen a different (perhaps more entertaining) path to the MD.
Monash might have half a dozen of equivalent standard. Personally I am aware of 4.

Therefore the Monash MBBS cohort is equivalent, and can only be legitimately compared to the second tier of the UoM Biomed cohort, namely those who are not Chancellor's scholars.
The Monash MBBS cohort and the second tier UoM Biomed cohort are of equivalent (ATAR) strength.

But I still rate the second tier UoM Biomed higher than Monash MBBS.
Why? Because the majority had a choice of Undergrad security at Monash but they chose the NO-GUARANTEE option of UoM Biomed.
This to me proves a cohort of confident go-getters.
In short, exactly the sort of cohort which deserves a shot at Australia's only World Class Medical School. The UoM MD

Cheers.
   
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[Truck]

La Trobe dentistry has a stronger cohort and Monash MBBS would have a cohort just as strong, 99+ ATAR median, no doubt.

De Nile is a river in North Africa.

UoM has approx 45+ Chancellor's Scolars in Biomed plus a dozen or more in BSc who have chosen a different (perhaps more entertaining) path to the MD.
Monash might have half a dozen of equivalent standard. Personally I am aware of 4.

Therefore the Monash MBBS cohort is equivalent, and can only be legitimately compared to the second tier of the UoM Biomed cohort, namely those who are not Chancellor's scholars.
The Monash MBBS cohort and the second tier UoM Biomed cohort are of equivalent (ATAR) strength.

But I still rate the second tier UoM Biomed higher than the Monash Biomed.
Why? Because the majority had a choice of Undergrad security at Monash but they chose the NO-GUARANTEE option of UoM Biomed.
This to me proves a cohort of confident go-getters.
In short, exactly the sort of cohort which deserves a shot at Australia's only World Class Medical School. The UoM MD

Cheers.
   
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lol dude are you trolling, just about everyone who gets into Monash MBBS has to have high 99's + high UMAT + good interview, the only people who get in with sub 99 have amazing UMAT's.... It sounds like you're employed at Melbourne, no doubt Biomed has a very strong cohort as evidenced by a 99.00 cut-off, but lets be honest, most of the people in there are only there because they weren't 100% sure on medicine or couldn't get into Monash straight up.

Chancellor's scholars just means they got what, 99.90? There are plenty at Monash with 99.90 and 99.95, in fact a higher proportion of 99.90 and 99.95 students choose Monash then any other university in the state.

FYI, "Of the top 5% of high school graduates in Victoria, more choose Monash than any other institution. In 2010, almost half of the top 5% of high school leavers chose to attend Monash - the highest of any Victorian university by quite some margin.[37] In 2009, among students with a "perfect" ENTER score of 99.95 (i.e. students in the top 0.05% of high school applicants), 63 made an application for Monash".


sources: "Monash University Annual Report". Monash.edu.au. Retrieved 2011-12-22.
^ "Monash Memo printable version - 11 February 2009". Monash.edu.au. Retrieved 2 May 2010.

[paulsterio]

Alright, let's take a look at some VTAC Selection data!

This shows that there is 42 UoM BBioMed Scholars'


This shows that there is 388 BBioMed (let's not count Non-Y12)


However, we shall also take a look at the 3rd Last column. You can't see it here, but it says "2012 Round 1 % of Offers Below Clearly-in ATAR". This means that 56% of UoM BBioMed students had an ATAR below 99.00.

Now, let's assume the best case scenario for UoM BBioMed. Let's assume that of the 42 in Chancellor's, 21 got 99.95 and 21 got 99.90. We shall also assume that 44% of those in the normal program have 99.85 and the rest have 98.95. Agree that this is an ideal situation? Ok, let's work out the averages.

Mean = 99.40
Median = 98.95

Now, how about we move over to La Trobe Dentistry


A very high percentage of them got above the clearly in of 98.40. That means that no matter how you look at it, the median will be around 98.95 or greater, unless there was a strong concentration at the 98.40 - 98.95 mark. Furthermore, we used the best case scenario for UoM BBioMed.

Therefore, La Trobe Dentistry > UoM BBioMed.

QED


Now, let's move onto the issue of Monash Med.
Why would you want to do a BBioMed (Non-Chancellor's) if you got into MBBS at Monash?
The probability of you getting into the MD is ridiculously low. There are 255 CSP places. Around 55 of them will be taken by BSc + BBioMed (Chancellor's) students. So 200 places. 388 BBioMed + x BSc + Other Uni Undegrads? Pr(MD|BBioMed) < 0.5

QED


Last point, what is with you and being obsessed with the UoM MD program? What is this World Class business? What is World Class? Is that even correct and technical terminology? Who says Monash students can't practice overseas?

QED

[thushan]

Argo, stop trolling. Now.
And fyi, a LOT of the 99,95ers are in Monash med. Melb had to go down to <99.90 to fill up places for Chancellors.
And last years cohort, there were 20 99.95ers in monash med and median ATAR was 98.95 (99.3 if we count only metro unbonded students)

[fuzzylogic]

Argo, stop trolling. Now.
And fyi, a LOT of the 99,95ers are in Monash med. Melb had to go down to <99.90 to fill up places for Chancellors.
And last years cohort, there were 20 99.95ers in monash med and median ATAR was 98.95 (99.3 if we count only metro unbonded students)

^+1

[paulsterio]

Argo, stop trolling. Now.
And fyi, a LOT of the 99,95ers are in Monash med. Melb had to go down to <99.90 to fill up places for Chancellors.
And last years cohort, there were 20 99.95ers in monash med and median ATAR was 98.95 (99.3 if we count only metro unbonded students)

Checkmate.

[aes_999]

Monash pride right there, nice.

[Planck's constant]

Pr(MD|BBioMed) < 0.5

I totally agree with you
Begs the obvious question.
Why do people who are otherwise qualified for Monash MBBS security opt for the risky UoM Biomed path?
There can only be one answer.
The see UoM MD as the main game

[thushan]

Except people who get into Monash MBBS instead of Melb Biomed (bar Chancellor's) or Science 99.9% of the time choose Monash MBBS.
Even the number of people who chose Monash MBBS over Melbourne Chancellor's Scholars (which has GUARANTEED entry into melbourne MD, so is not a risky path) massively outnumbers those the other way around. In particular, out of the people who want to do med and got 99.95, all but 1 (mchli) chose Monash Med.

[paulsterio]

I've personally haven't heard of anyone forgoing MBBS at Monash for BBioMed (non-chancellor) at UoM. In fact, you can't even do that! If Monash MBBS was higher, you would get into that. If BBioMed was higher, you wouldn't even know if you got into MBBS or not. (Higher in the preference list for VTAC)

The only option is to irregular for BBioMed, and I'm sure, not many will do that

Why do people see UoM as the main game? Explain please!

[Planck's constant]

Why do people see UoM as the main game? Explain please!

Sheer weight of numbers.

Thushan (god bless him) is one of a handful Chancellor's Scholars calibre students who opted for Monash.
The overwhelming majority (approx 60 all told) went for MD
There's got to be something in that stat