BEST COURSE FOR ME?

[paulsterio]

are you serious, there is nothing better for 91.35?

What do you mean by "better"? That's a very vague and subjective definition. Sure, there are other courses open to you! You can do Commerce, Arts, Law (At Deakin/La Trobe), Engineering, Computer Science, Health Science, Optometry (Deakin), Pharmacy...etc. I could keep going. But do you want to do them?

What it comes down to is what you want to study. If you want to study medicine, do the Bachelor of Science, if you want to do something else, it's probably too late now, but take a gap year and apply next year, you have a solid chance at any of the courses I listed above!

What course should i apply for that will have students around my atar rank. Cause science seem like a course anyone can do.

Science at Melbourne will have a lot of people with ATARs around you, if not higher, remember that the cutoff is around 90.00. I know of a 99.95-er who is doing Science at Melbourne.
No, Science is not a course anyone can do, it's a course which only the top 10% of the state can do (at UoM).

Even if you don't get into post-graduate medicine, you can work as a scientist (i.e. research assistant), you can pursue a career in academic sciences or you can look into other careers after another degree. Engineering (with a Masters of Engineering), teaching (DipEd), Optometry (O.D), Dentistry (DDS), Public Health, Speech Pathology, Physiotherapy...etc. By no means is Science a dead end or a bad degree

[91.35]

I am just saying this because i know a few people who got into the Bachelor of Science that got as low as 83 on their atar. This makes me feel science isn't that great of a course.

[aes_999]

Hey, don't worry about it. Science at UoM is the best science undergraduate path for a variety of things in Victoria (well, except for engineering or med and other miscellaneous things). There's a lot of pathways that you can go into. And think about it, you're in the top 10% of the state. You should be happy about it.

[91.35]

i thought you posted before saying that science is great if you are going to get into medicine afterwards.

[taiga]

I am just saying this because i know a few people who got into the Bachelor of Science that got as low as 83 on their atar. This makes me feel science isn't that great of a course.

If you're going to be judgemental on ATAR scores, the cut off for science is around 90, therefore your score isn't 'that great' either.

The people that got in with 83 most likely had unfortunate circumstances which resulted in a lowered cutoff for them.

[91.35]

I wasn't being judgemental. I just made that point because science has a weak cohort.

[thushan]

Science has a strong cohort. Getting a 90 ATAR is really good u know.

For grad entry med, doesn't matter what course u do (out of science or biomed), they just look at ur GPA.
Also, for a science degree an ATAR cut of 90 is bloody high. The ATAR cut is not as high as say Law coz there are so many places!

[taiga]

I wasn't being judgemental. I just made that point because science has a weak cohort.

Not sure what you're getting at. Most people in the course got your ATAR or above. If you think it's a weak cohort based on ATAR, then you fit in quite nicely.

Sorry to sound so rude, I'm hoping you'll understand that I think your logic is very flawed.

[Aurelian]

I am just saying this because i know a few people who got into the Bachelor of Science that got as low as 83 on their atar. This makes me feel science isn't that great of a course.

You're judging how good a course is from the ATARs required for entrance? That's absurd. Firstly, entrance ATARs simply reflect, more than anything, the supply and demand relating to the course - not the course quality or the course difficulty.

If you think, as you seem to, that science is an 'easy' degree... well, go complete one and come back to me when you've done third year mathematics/physics/chemistry subjects (or any other third year science subjects, for that matter).

[taiga]

By the way the difference between 85 and 90 is like 2 study scores per subject. Do you think if you got 2 less on every subject you'd classify yourself as weak?

[paulsterio]

I am just saying this because i know a few people who got into the Bachelor of Science that got as low as 83 on their atar. This makes me feel science isn't that great of a course.

How does that make it feel as if science isn't that great of a course. Firstly the strength of the cohort doesn't count towards the quality of the course. It's about what you want from the course and whether the course is able to provide it. You want grad-med. Science can provide that pathway. How is that bad?

I wasn't being judgemental. I just made that point because science has a weak cohort.

To be perfectly honest and blunt, it doesn't. There are people with 99.95 who are doing Science at UoM (looks at Aurelian). It is NOT a weak cohort. Also, cohort strength is not dependent on ATARs. One of my friends got a relatively weak ATAR, but he got excellent scores in Chem and Physics (he was just unfortunate to get below 30 in his English). So are you saying he's weak because of that?


Because it's taken a few wishy-washy posts already, I'll say it like it is without trying to be nice or understanding:

Do you want to do graduate medicine or not? If so, 100% the best course for you is Science. Not just for you, but for most people who want to do graduate medicine. So stop complaining.
If you do not want to do graduate medicine, there are many other degrees you can choose from, now or after your BSc. I listed them above in my last post. So, you should choose a pathway and stop worrying and complaining about cohorts and other people.

[91.35]

okay, thank you this cleared up everything. I always thought that courses that require low atars (since science originally asked for 85 as a cut off) are not good compared to ones that require higher atars in terms of quality.

[thushan]

No worries.

[86]

Cause science seem like a course anyone can do. I can still apply for irregular offer now.

I am just saying this because i know a few people who got into the Bachelor of Science that got as low as 83 on their atar. This makes me feel science isn't that great of a course.

I wasn't being judgemental. I just made that point because science has a weak cohort.

I really don't like your attitude to be honest. The others have explained the merits of Science I know, but that is a really narrow-minded perspective you have. There are people with <80 who would be completely content otherwise with your ATAR and course, for instance.

okay, thank you this cleared up everything. I always thought that courses that require low atars (since science originally asked for 85 as a cut off) are not good compared to ones that require higher atars in terms of quality.

It's a supply and demand thing. If everyone wants to get into Science, the clearly-in will go through the roof. If 1/10 of that put Science down then the clearly-in will go down. It's independent of quality.

[Greatness]

Had a quick browse of what has been said and i think the others have covered it, don't judge a book by it's cover. Same deal with courses, don't judge it by the clearly in score.

I am just saying this because i know a few people who got into the Bachelor of Science that got as low as 83 on their atar. This makes me feel science isn't that great of a course.

Ok um... I dont want to sound like im attacking you but in most courses there are reserved spots for SEAS students, these students have been disadvantaged in a way that has affected their year 12 studies. So how does this make it not a great course? Because students got in with a lesser atar? Big whoop imo