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Kids harass 69 year old bus monitor, internet responds
« on: June 21, 2012, 12:55:48 pm »
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l93wAqnPQwk&feature=player_embedded

This is exactly what is wrong with this generation. A 10 minute video, as well another two, were uploaded to Youtube showing kids endlessly harassing Karen Klein, a bus monitor, for no apparent reason. They taunt her for her weight, her income, her home and pretty much whatever they could ridicule.

The worst part is, one of the kids exclaims to Karen that "you're so ugly your kid should kill themselves" - when in fact, her son took his own life 10 years ago.

The internet responded with the details of all the kids' including Facebook, addresses, numbers, parent's contacts, posted online.

The internet also responded with over $80,000 in donations in her name to send her on a "vacation of a lifetime" as well as many letters of support and bouquets of flowers sent to her.

As of writing, her donation page stands at $83,522, which far exceeds her income of around $16,000.

What I find fascinating is that we see the worst of today's society, as well as the best. A completely innocent, elderly woman just trying to do her job and receiving endless amounts of uncalled-for taunts and insults for it, and then seeing the kindness and power of the internet retaliating.

Read more:

http://mashable.com/2012/06/20/bus-monitor-harassed/

http://mashable.com/2012/06/20/bus-monitor-vacatio/

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20120620/NEWS01/306200023?nclick_check=1
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Re: Kids harass 69 year old bus monitor, internet responds
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2012, 01:18:20 pm »
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Re: Kids harass 69 year old bus monitor, internet responds
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2012, 01:25:29 pm »
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I thought the exact same thing 86 (Can I be 98?), people are posting up contact details of anything remotely related to the kids in question, numbers of coworkers and workplaces of the parents in question, and while this is a tad too far, it shows the power of technology to get a point across. To an extent we saw this with Kony 2012, although obviously putting up 10 posters in the CBD did jackshit to help the people victimised by Kony. Social Media can be a great tool for getting a point across, but to the same extent it can be misused.

In this case, I hope the kids in question are punished and that the parents of the kids in question know what their kids are up to and are also somewhat punished for it. Although I suppose having your personal details put across the internet may be punishment enough. But I'd think the parents of the kids are some how responsible for their kids bullying tendencies. Thoughts on the psychology behind bullying?
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Re: Kids harass 69 year old bus monitor, internet responds
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2012, 01:30:29 pm »
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Fuck that. Let them learn that all actions have consequences

I agree with you, but at the end of the day, they're still brainless kids who need help, they're idiots rather than real criminals, and what they probably need is discipline and help to change their ways. Plus, I don't agree with vigilante justice anyway, just because they've done something wrong doesn't mean that we can do something wrong back to them, two wrongs don't make a right. Either way, their consequences are decided in court, or wherever, not by members of the public wanting revenge.

The internet responded with the details of all the kids' including Facebook, addresses, numbers, parent's contacts, posted online.

I actually don't agree with this either, because even though they've done something wrong it doesn't mean that their privacy can be breached and their details can be posted online. This could possibly ruin their future lives, imagine if they look for employment later and are rejected because their employer found that many years ago this happenned.

Of course what they did was wrong, but why are we turning it into an internet sensation? Everything these days gets turned into an internet sensation.

If I had access to their parents' numbers, I wouldn't go around posting it online, I'd give them a call and link them to the video, saying that their kids have been acting inappropriately in public, and suggesting that they do something to remedy it or to look into a psychologist who can help them.

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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2012, 01:51:03 pm »
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This could possibly ruin their future lives, imagine if they look for employment later and are rejected because their employer found that many years ago this happenned.

Good

If I had access to their parents' numbers, I wouldn't go around posting it online, I'd give them a call and link them to the video, saying that their kids have been acting inappropriately in public, and suggesting that they do something to remedy it or to look into a psychologist who can help them.

Good idea in theory, but do you really think the kind of parents that spawned these... things... would be likely to listen to reason? More probably they would tell you to fuck off, except in less nice terms


edit: think my hatred of children is coming through just a bit strongly here :p
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2012, 01:54:31 pm »
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I actually don't agree with this either, because even though they've done something wrong it doesn't mean that their privacy can be breached and their details can be posted online. This could possibly ruin their future lives, imagine if they look for employment later and are rejected because their employer found that many years ago this happenned.

Of course what they did was wrong, but why are we turning it into an internet sensation? Everything these days gets turned into an internet sensation.

If I had access to their parents' numbers, I wouldn't go around posting it online, I'd give them a call and link them to the video, saying that their kids have been acting inappropriately in public, and suggesting that they do something to remedy it or to look into a psychologist who can help them.

Did you listen to what the kids said to her? I take my hat off to, applaud and praise her endlessly for her ability to remain cool for the ENTIRE 10 minutes, in which the kids literally do not stop taunting her. At all.

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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2012, 02:43:46 pm »
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Greece Police say they are concerned for safety of students involved and may put officers outside their homes

Fuck that. Let them learn that all actions have consequences

When I first read the quoted text, I thought it referred to actual Greece. I spent 5 mins being confused as to why they directed riot personnel to protect kids from the internet
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2012, 02:47:27 pm »
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2012, 02:54:46 pm »
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Tell me you've never EVER made fun of someone in your life

I've "made fun" of people, but never for 10 minutes relentlessly OR to that extent.
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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2012, 02:55:05 pm »
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Tell me you've never EVER made fun of someone in your life
Not even close to that extent, no.

Your point?
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2012, 03:20:30 pm »
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Tell me you've never EVER made fun of someone in your life
Not even close to that extent, no.

Your point?
well I didn't watch all of it, i stopped after the first 30 seconds..
my point is they're just kids, it's easy to get carried away, handing them over to the internet is a life sentence, not a fair trade.
if it weren't for them, the woman wouldn't have gotten her $80k.. happy ending as it is,
kids will grow up, not condoning their actions, but we've all at some stage of our lives made fun of people.
just because it wasn't to 'that extent' doesn't mean you have a right to say they should be disciplined so harshly.
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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2012, 03:27:46 pm »
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Tell me you've never EVER made fun of someone in your life
Not even close to that extent, no.

Your point?
well I didn't watch all of it, i stopped after the first 30 seconds..
my point is they're just kids, it's easy to get carried away, handing them over to the internet is a life sentence, not a fair trade.
if it weren't for them, the woman wouldn't have gotten her $80k.. happy ending as it is,
kids will grow up, not condoning their actions, but we've all at some stage of our lives made fun of people.
just because it wasn't to 'that extent' doesn't mean you have a right to say they should be disciplined so harshly.

Maybe watch the whole video? The extent of the crime is actually the most relevant aspect of the crime when determining how it should be punished. If they had made one off-hand, "your fat" comment then of course it would be unfair. Ten minutes of the some of the rudest hate I've ever witnessed is worthy of a much greater punishment. I think you'll find that in modern legal systems, the degree of punishment is determined by the extent of the crime :P.

Irrespective of whether or not they deserve it, the internet is not "controllable"... there's nothing we could do to stop the video going viral OR people working out who they are. These kids will learn that actions have consequences the hard way, and hopefully others will learn from that and not follow in their footsteps.

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« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2012, 03:34:21 pm »
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Maybe watch the whole video? The extent of the crime is actually the most relevant aspect of the crime when determining how it should be punished. If they had made one off-hand, "your fat" comment then of course it would be unfair. Ten minutes of the some of the rudest hate I've ever witnessed is worthy of a much greater punishment. I think you'll find that in modern legal systems, the degree of punishment is determined by the extent of the crime :P.

Irrespective of whether or not they deserve it, the internet is not "controllable"... there's nothing we could do to stop the video going viral OR people working out who they are. These kids will learn that actions have consequences the hard way, and hopefully others will learn from that and not follow in their footsteps.
Really..well I have no interest in watching that video.. and unless at some point they decided to physically assault her, i wholeheartedly disagree that those kids deserve to be handed over to the internet.
If you're talking about the legal system, then that's the legal system, which in this case has decided to PROTECT the kids..

10 minutes of verbal assault, yeah it really truly sucks, and I have no idea what type of people would do that, but it's not like they ruined her life..
you're seriously not telling me these kids deserved to have their lives ruined, over a 10 minute tirade, when the victim has been compensated already anyway..

I have the utmost sympathy for the woman, but surely you would agree when i say that the kids don't deserve to have their asses kicked by the internet.
and also if people track them down, their neighbours and family who have no role in this, all suddenly become involved.
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2012, 04:04:30 pm »
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Ninwa, I think you're missing my point though, you might think it's fair that their futures are ruined, but the thing is, unless the cycle is broken, they're likely to have kids which they can't raise properly because they're stuck doing menial jobs meaning that their kids are more likely to get involved in crime as well, meaning that their grandkids might be affected and it's an ongoing cycle. Punishing them has no tangible effect, we need to help them break out of their idiocy. Secondly, just because they act that way doesn't mean their parents are bad, sometimes I've seen truly good parents with kids who are idiots, but it's not the parents' fault, they just don't know what their kids get up to.

Did you listen to what the kids said to her? I take my hat off to, applaud and praise her endlessly for her ability to remain cool for the ENTIRE 10 minutes, in which the kids literally do not stop taunting her. At all.

I applaud her too, but it still doesn't mean that the kids should be subjected to vigilante justice by the members of the public. We're basing what we think is fair or not based on a Youtube video, what do we even know about the situation of what has happened? We can't just go around committing vigilante justice, it doesn't help anything.

Maybe watch the whole video? The extent of the crime is actually the most relevant aspect of the crime when determining how it should be punished. If they had made one off-hand, "your fat" comment then of course it would be unfair. Ten minutes of the some of the rudest hate I've ever witnessed is worthy of a much greater punishment. I think you'll find that in modern legal systems, the degree of punishment is determined by the extent of the crime :P.

Irrespective of whether or not they deserve it, the internet is not "controllable"... there's nothing we could do to stop the video going viral OR people working out who they are. These kids will learn that actions have consequences the hard way, and hopefully others will learn from that and not follow in their footsteps.

It's rude, but I wouldn't say that it's the rudest hate I've ever witnessed, I've seen worse things multiple times. You're right, the degree of punishment is determined by the extent of the crime, but it is also determined by other factors such as the circumstances of the crime, the situation of the perpetrators amongst other things. But, and it's a big but, we are not the legal system, therefore, we can't make judgements. The internet is not controllable, you're right, and of course there's nothing we can do, but I don't think they should learn the hard way, don't you feel any sympathy for the kids? How would you feel if you made a mistake 10 years ago, and had to pay for with the rest of your life?

There is a reason why the media is not allowed to release name of underage criminals you know That is to protect them and their future. Don't you think there is a reason for that?

To sum up, look at the extent of their crime, it's verbal harassment, nothing more, emotions aside, looking at it objectively, it is just that. There are far worse crimes that happen every day, people getting bashed up at train stations late at night, people being discriminated against in the workforce, dangerous drivers putting other road users at risk, look at all those situations, situations where people's lives are at risk, do they get 80,000 dollars in compensation?

In all honesty, this crime is bad, but surely it is not as bad as some of the others I have listed, the only reason this is big is because it's an internet sensation evoking people's sympathy.

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