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Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« on: September 15, 2012, 09:16:22 pm »
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A proposal has been made by the assistant commissioner Robert Hill to lower the legal BAC (blood alcohol concentration) limit when driving a car from 0.05 to 0.02.

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/traffic-cop-robert-hill-wants-02-alcohol-limit-more-speed-cameras-to-drive-down-victorias-3-billion-road-toll/story-e6frf7kx-1226473719393

What are your thoughts on this? I personally am against it. I think that our 0.05 system works quite well and doesn't need to be lowered any further. If they really want to reduce the road toll, then they should fix all of the potholes on the road so that people aren't tempted to swerve all over the place just to save their tyres from popping.
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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2012, 09:20:34 pm »
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Perhaps this belongs in the debates section.
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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2012, 09:46:44 pm »
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.. i dunno if its necessary
for a extremely light weight person, that MIGHT affect their driving?
but 0.02 is like, having 2 cans of light beer., or 2 large glasses of wine.
i dont think its really worth it!


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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2012, 09:53:17 pm »
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If they really want to reduce the road toll, then they should fix all of the potholes on the road so that people aren't tempted to swerve all over the place just to save their tyres from popping.

lolwut? So potholes have a bigger impact on the road toll than alcohol?

I support this change. Why should people be allowed to have a higher BAC level when driving? I personally find the drinking culture in this country pathetic. The limit should be as low as possible. 0.02 basically says don't drink and drive. With 0.05 people are always like "well im this body weight and i had a glass an hour ago so derp derp ill have another".
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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2012, 09:55:46 pm »
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I support this change. Why should people be allowed to have a higher BAC level when driving? I personally find the drinking culture in this country pathetic. The limit should be as low as possible. 0.02 basically says don't drink and drive. With 0.05 people are always like "well im this body weight and i had a glass an hour ago so derp derp ill have another".

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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2012, 10:46:49 pm »
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IMO... I don't see why it can't be set to zero.
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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2012, 10:50:29 pm »
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IMO... I don't see why it can't be set to zero.

Pretty impractical, like, what if I decide to have a single drink of wine/sparking at a friend's house and then need to drive home. To be honest, having a BAC of 0.01 - 0.02 won't have any impairment on judgement for most people, allowing them to get home is potentially safer than the crowding of those who are drunk.

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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2012, 11:05:29 pm »
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IMO... I don't see why it can't be set to zero.

Pretty impractical, like, what if I decide to have a single drink of wine/sparking at a friend's house and then need to drive home. To be honest, having a BAC of 0.01 - 0.02 won't have any impairment on judgement for most people, allowing them to get home is potentially safer than the crowding of those who are drunk.

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You make a valid point, I just don't like to endorse things which can *potentially* impair driving abilities.
What do you think about the alcohol limit set to zero on L drivers/ p platers if it doesn't impair their driving ability after having a single drink of wine?
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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2012, 11:11:57 pm »
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The problem with having the BAC at zero is that cough medicine shows up on the breathalyser. :P

On the radio the other day, the hosts were saying how the 0.02 limit worked really well in overseas countries because it forced people to consider drinking alcohol and driving as two mutually exclusive events. I really don't see it doing any harm. Although, there needs to be greater improvements in the transportation system to make alternative travel arrangements more accessible.
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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2012, 11:12:59 pm »
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The problem with having the BAC at zero is that cough medicine shows up on the breathalyser. :P

On the radio the other day, the hosts were saying how the 0.02 limit worked really well in overseas countries because it forced people to consider drinking alcohol and driving as two mutually exclusive events. I really don't see it doing any harm. Although, there needs to be greater improvements in the transportation system to make alternative travel arrangements more accessible.

Yeah I agree they would need to get some better technology in that sense before they ever started thinking of lowering the BAC limit
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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2012, 11:15:09 pm »
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Taxi/ designated driver/ sleepover
You make a valid point, I just don't like to endorse things which can *potentially* impair driving abilities.
What do you think about the alcohol limit set to zero on L drivers/ p platers if it doesn't impair their driving ability after having a single drink of wine?

Designated driver - doesn't always work, not always practical (especially if driving just by myself). Taxi - ugh, expensive!

Sleepover - that works, but again, it's not always practical. I just really don't like the idea of a gathering of drunks, it's certainly more dangerous than letting someone with a BAC <0.05 drive home.

Regarding BAC = 0 for P/L - platers, I agree with this because of their lack of experience...etc.

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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2012, 11:40:39 pm »
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IMO... I don't see why it can't be set to zero.

We have to be practical and pragmatic.

I can see the moral case you're making here. We shouldn't drink and drive at all, people shouldn't be stupid. You're operating a 1 tonne hunk of metal thats going fast. I get that. Problem is not everyone shares your moral standpoint, people are stupid sometimes.

It's great to be moralistic but there is probably little practical difference between 0.00 and 0.01.

People will drink. You can't avoid that. If you set the limit at 0.00, people will constantly be breaking it. They're not going to stop because its illegal. In-fact, it might be worse, if we have it at 0.05, people know they have to stay under that and only have a couple drinks or get busted. If we set it at 0.00, it hardly matters anymore to those that would of had a drink anyway.

Say you go to a restaurant or something and have a single glass of wine (which isn't all that unusual), you're already over dead 0. Soy sauce (if its properly made) is even mildly alcoholic.

The way your body processes alcohol is different to a lot of drugs. For most drugs your body removes a fraction/% of that drug, rather than an absolute number. So, maybe, 50% every 4 hours. If you take 100mg, its 50mg eliminated every 4 hours, take 200mg, its 100mg. Alcohol is different. It's a constant number. It's not proportional. So, your body might only be able to break down one standard drink every hour. Plenty of people can have a heavy night out and still be over 0.00 the next day.

It's fairly impractical, it'll probably tie up police and court resources as well. I'm not usually with the libertarian crowd but something like this would be a fairly big intrusion on our civil liberties, to not be able to have a glass or two of wine when you drink. You can drink responsibly, plenty of people do it.

Even 0.02 applies to what i've said.

If you violate the law though, there are things they can do. I had a relative who was 0.098 or something (almost twice the legal limit). Lost their license for 6 months. Once you're 0.10 or over, they take your license for 2 years as far as i know, its pretty much automatic unless you choose to contest it in court (you'll have a hard time wining).

I understand we're relying on the fact that these people are just randomly picked up by booze buses to get caught but even if we lowed the limit, it wouldn't stop those who already break the law from breaking it. People know you can go down backstreets and enforcement is patchy. All it'll really do is create a massive hassle for the rest of us.

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/SafetyAndRules/RoadRules/Penalties/DrinkDrivingPenalties.htm

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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2012, 12:20:33 am »
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The way your body processes alcohol is different to a lot of drugs. For most drugs your body removes a fraction/% of that drug, rather than an absolute number. So, maybe, 50% every 4 hours. If you take 100mg, its 50mg eliminated every 4 hours, take 200mg, its 100mg. Alcohol is different. It's a constant number. It's not proportional. So, your body might only be able to break down one standard drink every hour. Plenty of people can have a heavy night out and still be over 0.00 the next day.

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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2012, 12:54:44 am »
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Every person reacts to alcohol differently. 0.05 shouldn't be too bad.
But i reckon it should still be illegal just to eliminate the flexibility Victoria has towards drink driving.
It's a serious issue.
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Re: Lowering Blood Alcohol Limit to 0.02
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2012, 09:42:26 am »
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With 0.05 people are always like "well im this body weight and i had a glass an hour ago so derp derp ill have another".

What's wrong with that?
You metabolize about one standard drink an hour, that's a completely normal way for people to drive somewhere and manage their alcohol consumption.

I'm kinda of ambivalent on the change. 0.02 allows you to have one drink when you go out and still drive, so it's not affecting people going out for dinner but at the same time...I don't think it'll have the effect people think it will. The fact that P platers are still drink driving and so forth indicates to me that it's not the restriction that's the problem but the wider social attitude. Address that and not the one small part of it that's relevant to the roads.

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It's still fractional but there's just a very low Vmax relative to the amount of alcohol we consume in a beer/wine etc. so it's saturated fast no?