Class of 2014! :D

[chasej]

I need to learn how to properly quote because it's killing me answering it like this!!!

I would love to go to ANU if it was located in Melbourne. Everything is in Melbourne. I have a family here. I have my pets here which are pretty much like children to me; when I go away on holiday I start envisaging 7 days into it what my dogs are doing and how badly I want to be back with them - I think I have some weird pet homesickness kind of thing, but just sad. 5 (double degree) years away from home and two of them would probably have passed and I just can't not be there for them .. it may seem weird but I'm weird like that.

The business I want to get in is non-traditional, something creative such as advertising. In Melbourne I can always have the outlet of nepotism to fall back on, leaning on my parents for an internship for experience for that resume that I have with 3 nothings on it. Despite your defence for Canberra, I've been there a few times and it just isn't really a place I would like to call home. Like aforementioned, the creative side of business that I want to get into is almost non-existent there in Canberra. I also am planning on creating a low-cost start up after schoolies with my friend here in Melbourne and already have the business plan all written out, and despite the likelihood of failure, hands on experience would be fantastic.

I probably should have written it earlier on but like I've said multiple times in this post, I want to go into non-traditional business. A business degree doesn't enclose you into a single business which is why it is so great - there are so many things to choose from it's unreal. Marketing and Management give you a set of desirable skills in a business which puts you on the forefront of a screening process for when a job comes up when your mid 20's. Sure not straight out of graduation its unlikely you'll become a manager, but a degree for me at least is about the big picture.

I'm a member of whirlpool and have posted on a few threads to-do with education, and despite quite a few posters probably being quite ill-informed they responded with answers like ensure you attend a G8 university or else you'll always be second. When I was previously saying attend a G8, that came from mainly actual businessmen and not whirlpool, but yeah with polarisation, a few said G8.

Most likely the RMIT person would get the gig. However, as you said, there are always more than two and often than not only one job on offer in particular businesses. Coming second to none in all areas such as skills, charisma etc. all contribute to getting a job, but so does a degree and it would suck constantly being rejected by coming second. But in an area that I am more knowledgeable on, in the field that I want to get into like I said, it is almost imperative that you have the uttermost highest credentials and everything else that makes an employee great because the competition is huge in comparison to the scarce positions available. Looking at the big picture I want to be a business owner doing something creative that I love, but I also wanted to get a 99 ATAR at the start of this year so I always have to consider the possibility that I'm being naive.

Not to mention I am committed. I've fucked up VCE I admit that but it is mainly because I take no interest in it regardless of how important it is supposed to be. With Legal Studies there is a chance that I will get a 45+ and if I don't I will be incredibly disappointed. With Global Politics I believe that I'm in position for a 40+ but at my school some kid got 100% in every SAC and did shit in the exam due to my schools lead up to it and got a 32, or at least that was the reason and it was the highest mark; but I still believe I can do well. English I'm terrible at mainly due to lack of effort, not reading the set novels and not asking questions even when I don't know how to write a 'whose reality' essay; I wrote a story about a game for my last SAC because I was just that puzzled on what to do. With all that being said, I have drive to succeed and do well in Business; most of my should be studying or working in class time I basically sit there imagining what life will be like 10 years down the track, how I'm going to achieve that, and then ponder business ideas, consulting with people about business plans etc. so really I just want the best for myself, regardless of how much of a clusterfuck I've gotten myself in. All this convoluted verbose bullshit was in response to the first thing you said, I lost track of this quoting system.

I personally don't think studying at uni is much help if you want to become an entrepeuner, my dad studied a Bcomm majoring in marketing and tells me it was pretty useless for him as it didn't actually help him in business. Smart idea to make a start up out of school though, I know the way to do it is just to "get your feet wet". Try not to get overwhelmed with all the paperwork and confusing business laws however, that was the biggest hurdle for me when I started my first company.

I don't really think there is much creativity in business however, a lot of the stuff they show of 20 year old CEO's going into board meetings in tracksuit pants becoming billionaires is 1) rare and 2) largely a marketing gimmick for companies. Businesses are about the bottom line and innovation (if it draws a profit). The entire thing you see of business owners looking into the future saying they care for the future with fancy music and beautiful images on TV (mainly with oil companies) is rubbish.

[Reus]

II have my pets here which are pretty much like children to me; when I go away on holiday I start envisaging 7 days into it what my dogs are doing and how badly I want to be back with them.

Probs the cutest thing I've read on AN haha 

[Jono_CP]

How do 'round offers' actually work?

My careers teacher was explaining to me that you can change this straight after you acquire the ATAR.

Say I don't get into Melbourne Uni Arts first round, is there a huge waiting time for the second round offer?

How does it all work? Seems very complicated to me.

[chasej]

How do 'round offers' actually work?

My careers teacher was explaining to me that you can change this straight after you acquire the ATAR.

Say I don't get into Melbourne Uni Arts first round, is there a huge waiting time for the second round offer?

How does it all work? Seems very complicated to me.

No explanation that would be given in this thread would be as in depth as the one here How Do Tertiary Offers Work?

[Jono_CP]

Wait... So with the Round 1, 2 & Supplementary Round does that mean you can only legitimately get into your top 3 courses of the 12 listed?? What happens if you meet the 4th one? Does this just get scrapped and you have to do Year 12 again???

Are there waiting times in-between rounds? I did skim through it, but I don't think they list this. I think the Supplementary Round is held at a later date.

I am still VERY confused.

[sparkatrine]

Hi everyone, just a quick question!

Next year I would like to do animal science at la trobe, which has an clearly in atar of 80, which I think is achievable for myself. Do I have to put other preferences on my VTAC application? This is the only course I am interested in and anything else that I may be interested in has a higher atar, so I was wondering if it is possible to do only one preference.

Thanks in advance!

[~V]

Hi everyone, just a quick question!

Next year I would like to do animal science at la trobe, which has an clearly in atar of 80, which I think is achievable for myself. Do I have to put other preferences on my VTAC application? This is the only course I am interested in and anything else that I may be interested in has a higher atar, so I was wondering if it is possible to do only one preference.

Thanks in advance!

You always want to put more than one, seriously, you have nothing to lose and you rather be safe than sorry. Not saying you won't get into animal science but what if something happens to you in the lead up to exams? You never know, shit happens. Also, you're paying that $28 for the preference thingy so i'd try to put in as much as i can. Even if the ATAR is higher, in a good scenario, what if you did really well at the end in which you can get into your other courses other than animal science but you can't get in JUST because you didn't put it as a preference? As i said, it doesn't cost extra or anything to put in more preferences so i suggest you do so. Good luck. Omg, 200 posts

[Jono_CP]

You get an offer for the highest course you are eligible for, whether that be your first preference (unimelb BA) or your 12th preference (Bachelor of Bachelor at College University).

Under almost no circumstances should you repeat year 12. There will always be an easier pathway into whatever you want to do rather than subject yourself to another year of this.

There are waiting times between rounds, not sure how long but I think round 1 to 2 is about 2 weeks.

It is incredibly confusing, I didn't understand it for months.

Oh ok, thanks for explaining!

What is the point of Round 2 then? Do they separate preferences, e.g. 6 of each of the 12 into Round 1 & 2??

[90ATAR]

I personally don't think studying at uni is much help if you want to become an entrepeuner.

But being an entrepreneur there is a high risk of failure. If I start a business when I'm 18 and run it until I'm 21 with no education and it fails, I have nothing to fall back on except for experience - and this business is incredibly cringeworthy but has room for profit in its business model, but anything can happen. That is why I want something to fall back on, to get into a creative field if everything goes astray or even just to make some money in the first ten or so years of my life. And you started your own company? Do you mean like the whole ABN route or more so like making adsense with websites and YouTube (which I did) because wow if you made a business already!

Whilst nothing usually goes to plan, I still believe there is creativity in business. My first business plan is just something that my friend and I can do to make some money and to get some money in our pocket which is just a gruelling service. Then I want to make a business like Pixar where you tell a story in animation, a really cutesy story and have people happier than they originally wore. This may have been a childhood dream that I'm still holding on too, and although I have no ability to animate or make music or anything, as a kid I would sit down writing stories when I had no computer or anything and just imagine what it would be like to produce something that you were apart of that made people happy, and be proud of it (e.g. I want to be a creative director says the 18 year old). I kind of shaped my dreams around the revered Walt Disney! LOL! I don't see myself doing anything else, so I don't know if that is a good or bad sign.

I'm not too sure what you are talking about with the whole tracksuit thing. Jobs was known for his turtle neck. Zuckerberg for his hoodie on Wall Street. We have a mutual Gandel friend who is a billionaire and he dresses like he is Al Pacino or something whilst at the tennis in $20,000 box seats. LOL I ramble.

[chasej]

But being an entrepreneur there is a high risk of failure. If I start a business when I'm 18 and run it until I'm 21 with no education and it fails, I have nothing to fall back on except for experience - and this business is incredibly cringeworthy but has room for profit in its business model, but anything can happen. That is why I want something to fall back on, to get into a creative field if everything goes astray or even just to make some money in the first ten or so years of my life. And you started your own company? Do you mean like the whole ABN route or more so like making adsense with websites and YouTube (which I did) because wow if you made a business already!

Whilst nothing usually goes to plan, I still believe there is creativity in business. My first business plan is just something that my friend and I can do to make some money and to get some money in our pocket which is just a gruelling service. Then I want to make a business like Pixar where you tell a story in animation, a really cutesy story and have people happier than they originally wore. This may have been a childhood dream that I'm still holding on too, and although I have no ability to animate or make music or anything, as a kid I would sit down writing stories when I had no computer or anything and just imagine what it would be like to produce something that you were apart of that made people happy, and be proud of it (e.g. I want to be a creative director says the 18 year old). I kind of shaped my dreams around the revered Walt Disney! LOL! I don't see myself doing anything else, so I don't know if that is a good or bad sign.

I'm not too sure what you are talking about with the whole tracksuit thing. Jobs was known for his turtle neck. Zuckerberg for his hoodie on Wall Street. We have a mutual Gandel friend who is a billionaire and he dresses like he is Al Pacino or something whilst at the tennis in $20,000 box seats. LOL I ramble.

Very true-makes sense to have something to fall back onto to. That's pretty much my main motivation for going to uni, just to get a degree which gives some professional qualification.

And yeh, I have a business with an ABN and everything but I seldom operate it right now since yr 12 is taking most of my time, I don't think I want to pursue it anymore regardless.

Sounds very noble about the whole animation thing too. Good luck (I'm not being sarcastic when I say that, I mean it).

What I meant to say was that most businessmen haven't been successful in the ways people like Jobs or Zuckerman has, most of it's mining or developing really which is a real corporate world. I think I was overly pessimistic in the depiction I gave in hindsight however, there definitely are opportunities for innovative people with a new way of thinking, basically though, that tends to be a niche.

[90ATAR]

Very true-makes sense to have something to fall back onto to. That's pretty much my main motivation for going to uni, just to get a degree which gives some professional qualification.

And yeh, I have a business with an ABN and everything but I seldom operate it right now since yr 12 is taking most of my time, I don't think I want to pursue it anymore regardless.

Sounds very noble about the whole animation thing too. Good luck (I'm not being sarcastic when I say that, I mean it).

What I meant to say was that most businessmen haven't been successful in the ways people like Jobs or Zuckerman has, most of it's mining or developing really which is a real corporate world. I think I was overly pessimistic in the depiction I gave in hindsight however, there definitely are opportunities for innovative people with a new way of thinking, basically though, that tends to be a niche.

Sounds like we are in it for the same reason ... just you are better at VCE than I am
Impressive with the business. Sucks that you aren't going to operate it anymore after VCE, or doubt you will. You are so many leaps (not steps) in front of people our age.
Australia's economy definitely is built around the mining sector which you would have learnt with your 43 in Eco. It sucks though how there is all that bullshit about FIFO non-skilled workers for $100K when it barely even exists. Gina Fatdeadheart and her expat obsession. Pssssh.
Now stopping being silly, so jealous you have a fully functional business.

[Jono_CP]

This whole business lingo is going straight over my head...

Even though I am ironically interested in the subject area, but perhaps not as intensely as writing.

[Jono_CP]

No they don't split preferences.

Your ATAR: 82.75

*Requires Subject Prerequisites

Preference 1: Arts, unimelb Cutoff: 92.15 
Preference 2: Commerce, unimelb Cutoff: 95.00* 
Preference 3: Commerce, Monash Cutoff: 90.95* 
Preference 4: Business Monash Cutoff: 84.50* 
Preference 5: Science, unimelb Cutoff: 92.65* 
Preference 6: Law, Monash Cutoff: 98.00 
Preference 7: Arts/Law, Monash Cutoff: 98.00 
Preference 8: Arts, Monash Cutoff: 80.00 
Preference 9: Engineering/Law, Monash Cutoff: 97.85*
Preference 10: Biomed Chancellor, unimelb Cutoff: 99.90*
Preference 11: Business, RMIT Cutoff: 71.00

Basically VTAC would (get a computer to) go through your list and see which course you are eligible for. Once they find one they stop, which is why you want to put your first preference first.

Let's say leading up to your exams you're in a shitty mood and think you've flunked so you make a rash decision to change your preferences. In fact you blitzed your exams and got a much better ATAR than expected.

Your ATAR: 96.80

Preference 1: Business, Monash Cutoff: 84.50 
Preference 2: Commerce, unimelb Cutoff: 95.00
Preference 3: Arts , unimelb Cutoff: 92.15

Now even though you've cleared the cutoff for Commerce and Arts, because they are a lower preference than another course you cleared the cutoff for, they won't be considered.

This second scenario is where you would possibly change preference for a 2nd round offer. After Monash offer you a place in 1st round you can decline and then change your preferences accordingly.

New Preferences for Second Round

Preference 1: Commerce, unimelb Cutoff: 95.00
Preference 2: Business, Monash Cutoff: 84.50
Preference 3: Arts , unimelb Cutoff: 92.15


It's a really confusing system but hopefully this clears it up a bit for you

Ah thanks for clarifying!

My careers mentor was explaining to me, that you can change after the ATAR is acquired online without much hassle. So unless one really changes their mind at the last second, I don't see why there should be too many Round 2's...

I always thought of Round 1, being your preference 1. But I actually like the way they set the preferences up. It means I can take some risks with my first two, and go for some realistic ones in my next 4.

[aqple]

I spent an entire day researching and I've made up a list of only four uni preferences. I don't want to list courses that I'm not 100% interested in, so I'll probably take the "risk" and just have the four. I found out that I'm eligible for guaranteed entry into Arts @ Melb Uni with 78 ATAR through Access Melbourne...don't know how to feel about that haha, I'm still going to try and aim for >90 

[Yacoubb]

I'm thinking of four preferences at the moment:

• Bachelor of Medicine/Bachelor of Surgery at Monash University
• Bachelor of Biomedicine at University of Melbourne
• Bachelor of Dentistry at La Trobe University
• Bachelor of Science at University of Melbourne