Rape victim dies

[kamil9876]

Well it seems I have a fan, quoting my magnificent words for the whole world to read 
But what is not valid about it? Like I said with the bank thief analogy, if 100 people steal $100,000 together, then they must pay back $1000 each, since each of them is responsible for 1% of the crime that was committed. The same logic can be applied to any crime: if a certain amount of damage is inflicted, then each perpetrator is responsible for a portion of the damage.

Another reason why this "logic" is flawed: Yes, a theft of $100,000 by one thief hurts the bank as much as by ten thieves. But does a rape by ten men hurt the victim as much as a rape by one? And of course punishment for theft doesn't just mean paying it back, it also means serving extra punishment for the act, otherwise everyone would steal as you can only make a non-negative profit

[Dejan]

I think that in this case, the crime of murder basically overrides the crime of rape, so we should charge them for murder instead.

I am completely stumped by this.

[Dejan]

I see what you're saying, but if each of the 5 rapes occurred on the same occasion, that would be less traumatising for the victim than if she got raped once a night for 5 nights.

What.......................

[Dejan]

Well it seems I have a fan, quoting my magnificent words for the whole world to read 
But what is not valid about it? Like I said with the bank thief analogy, if 100 people steal $100,000 together, then they must pay back $1000 each, since each of them is responsible for 1% of the crime that was committed. The same logic can be applied to any crime: if a certain amount of damage is inflicted, then each perpetrator is responsible for a portion of the damage.

I don't see how a robbery can be compared, there's not even a slight comparison in this instance. There is no way possible to measure the damage that has been done by rape by each individual, it's literally not possible however they are all to be responsible for the damage that they have done together not as individuals 

[thushan]

I am completely stumped by this.

Anyhow, they're being charged for murder AND rape. Killing someone doesn't absolve them of rape.

[Dejan]

Anyhow, they're being charged for murder AND rape. Killing someone doesn't absolve them of rape.

That's good they should rot in prison for a long time

[DJing]

LOL.

Side note, imo, life sentences are a greater punishment than the death penalty because perpetrators are never freed of the reminder of the crime they committed. I'd classify hanging as being beneficial to them as there's less time spent suffering

Then again, it costs a huge amount of money to keep a prisoner in prison, so I can understand why hanging would be 'better'

[Mr Keshy]

LOL.

Side note, imo, life sentences are a greater punishment than the death penalty because perpetrators are never freed of the reminder of the crime they committed. I'd classify hanging as being beneficial to them as there's less time spent suffering

Then again, it costs a huge amount of money to keep a prisoner in prison, so I can understand why hanging would be 'better'

yeah, I agree. But having said that, do they really care about what they've done? I think you're saying that they should stay in prison so they can stay in guilt yeah? I just want them to suffer the "hardship" of being in prison itself, instead of being hanged and not have to suffer for that long.

I think money may also come across as a reason as well.

[thushan]

LOL.

Side note, imo, life sentences are a greater punishment than the death penalty because perpetrators are never freed of the reminder of the crime they committed. I'd classify hanging as being beneficial to them as there's less time spent suffering

Then again, it costs a huge amount of money to keep a prisoner in prison, so I can understand why hanging would be 'better'

That said - which is the greater deterrent to a person who doesn't think hard about consequences (psychopaths generally don't think hard about consequences)? Life in prison, or death penalty? The latter is instinctively seen as worse.

[DJing]

True, but I view death as allowing them to escape

Both arguments hold merit, but this is my personal view 

personally, I don't believe in 'an eye for an eye', nor do I feel as though any human has the right to sentence another to death, no matter what kind of vile actions he's performed, that's why I'm pro life sentence

[Mr Keshy]

nor do I feel as though any human has the right to sentence another to death, no matter what kind of vile actions he's performed, that's why I'm pro life sentence

I can definitely see what you're saying, although I don't agree with you. I would also say that I'd be lying if I said I didn't see revenge as part (albeit small) of giving the death penalty. The toughest would be sending them to live and making them suffer physically. I don't know how popular that would be.

[thushan]

True, but I view death as allowing them to escape

Both arguments hold merit, but this is my personal view 

personally, I don't believe in 'an eye for an eye', nor do I feel as though any human has the right to sentence another to death, no matter what kind of vile actions he's performed, that's why I'm pro life sentence

Eye for an eye does exist in law - but that's a matter for civil courts. Or is it more 'compensation' rather than 'pleasure in the party's suffering?'

As for one human to sentence another to death...I'd say you're right there actually.

[zhenzhenzhen]

Grunch.

They should be raped in prison IMO. Then brought to the verge of death, then healed, repeat until they actually die.

[Russ]

It's nice to see this thread always finds new ways to disappoint me

[DJing]

Grunch.

They should be raped in prison IMO. Then brought to the verge of death, then healed, repeat until they actually die.

Right, and what would you do with the ones that raped the 'rapers'?