What's the difference between Biomedicine and Biomedical Science?

[Special At Specialist]

I'm not going to do either, I'm just curious. I heard a lot of people were getting into biomedical science at Monash without even doing the UMAT, many of whom scored below a 90 ATAR. What is the difference between them, and where does each degree lead?

[Bad Student]

I think they're just different names for the same thing. You don't need to do the UMAT to get into biomedicine/biomedical science.

[nspire]

Equivalent of UoM's BBiomed?

[Special At Specialist]

I'm confused... I thought Monash biomedicine was an extremely hard course to get into that required a very high UMAT. If they are the same thing, then why are people with similar VCE marks to me getting in?

[paulsterio]

I'm confused... I thought Monash biomedicine was an extremely hard course to get into that required a very high UMAT. If they are the same thing, then why are people with similar VCE marks to me getting in?

You probably won't get in with an ATAR in the 80s unless you're disadvantaged or SEAS...etc.

The clearly in is usually in the low 90s. Biomedical Science at Monash is essentially very similar to Biomedicine at UoM. Of course, some will disagree with me regarding similarity, but more or less it is.

Biomedical science and Biomedicine are science degrees, they are not medical degrees, you don't become a doctor doing biomed, you need a very high UMAT to get into medicine.

[abcdqd]

I'm confused... I thought Monash biomedicine was an extremely hard course to get into that required a very high UMAT. If they are the same thing, then why are people with similar VCE marks to me getting in?

you are thinking of monash MBBS (bachelor of medicine/surgery)

[Special At Specialist]

you are thinking of monash MBBS (bachelor of medicine/surgery)

Yes, that's the one! What is the difference between Monash MBBS and Monash Biomedical Science?

[paulsterio]

Yes, that's the one! What is the difference between Monash MBBS and Monash Biomedical Science?

Biomedical science and Biomedicine are science degrees, they are not medical degrees, you don't become a doctor doing biomed.

[Special At Specialist]

So biomedicine is a science, whilst regular medicine is a medical degree? I always thought that when people said "medicine", they were referring to biomedicine...

[Russ]

Medicine and biomedicine are both defined as a science if you put it that way, but biomedicine doesn't provide a medical license to practice as a doctor, it focuses more on the theoretical side of things

[Special At Specialist]

Medicine and biomedicine are both defined as a science if you put it that way, but biomedicine doesn't provide a medical license to practice as a doctor, it focuses more on the theoretical side of things

I think I understand now... can biomedicine lead to postgrad medicine? Or does only MBBS lead there?

[Bad Student]

A biomedicine degree leads to graduate medicine. If you do an MBBS degree, there is no need to complete another medical degree.

[Special At Specialist]

A biomedicine degree leads to graduate medicine. If you do an MBBS degree, there is no need to complete another medical degree.

Oh I see, so MBBS is just a shortcut version to becoming a doctor, as opposed to postgraduate medicine, but it requires a significantly higher ATAR score and UMAT score.

[paulsterio]

Oh I see, so MBBS is just a shortcut version to becoming a doctor, as opposed to postgraduate medicine, but it requires a significantly higher ATAR score and UMAT score.

It's not a shortcut version, it's just a different model.

E.g. LLB vs. JD - they're two different pathways to get to become a lawyer.

Traditionally British medical schools followed the undergraduate (MBBS) pathway whereas US medical schools followed the graduate (bachelors + MD) pathway. Up until recently, Aus. followed the British in that we only had MBBS - but UoM (and other universities) have, since, introduced graduate entry pathways.

In order to get into graduate medicine, you will need a high GPA, high GAMSAT and a strong interview. It's no easier to get into graduate medicine.

A biomedicine degree MIGHT lead to an MD, there are many who do biomedicine for other purposes - e.g. dentistry, physiotherapy, biomed engineering, research, teaching...etc.

[Russ]

Australia has had grad entry medicine for a long time, not just since 2008/Melbourne model