Differences between bachelor of biomed and bachelor of science?

[Starlight]

Chemistry 2 definitely has a high fail rate.  I know a girl who has failed it twice and potentially thrice!

I hope she went to the learning centre!

[simpak]

I hope she went to the learning centre!

Hahahahahaha.  I hope so too.

[Hancock]

11.6% is a disastrously low fail rate.

ENGR20004 - Engineering Mechanics - 35% fail rate the semester before I did it
MAST20029 - Engineering Mathematics -  ~25% fail rate if I remember from the first lecture last sem
ELEN20005 - Foundation of Electrical Networks - I did it in summer and ~80% of the people there were repeats.

Also to note, I thought H1s were reserved for the top 5-7%. 21% H1 grade is a huge proportion of the class imo.

[golden]

golden nobody kicks you out of Biomedicine if you fail a subject you just get held back.  And in answer to your question, I have several friends that have failed subjects at a variety of universities (Melbourne, Monash, Latrobe) and all of them have seen their course extended in some way.  I think that's what 816 was trying to say

Chemistry 2 definitely has a high fail rate.  I know a girl who has failed it twice and potentially thrice!

Lol, that is what I meant, thanks for the correction. I didn't literally mean that if you failed a subject you will have to disregard all of your years behind you (for what I was talking about) and gg to all that has been up until this point.
Anyway, that doesn't take away at the ideology that they've been trying really hard all semester not to want to redo/extend.
Edit:
That made no sense:
Anyway, that doesn't take away at the ideology that they've been trying really hard all semester and probably during the exam to try to prevent those from having to have to extend their course or redo or w/e.
I need sleep.

[thushan]

11.6% is a disastrously low fail rate.

ENGR20004 - Engineering Mechanics - 35% fail rate the semester before I did it
MAST20029 - Engineering Mathematics -  ~25% fail rate if I remember from the first lecture last sem
ELEN20005 - Foundation of Electrical Networks - I did it in summer and ~80% of the people there were repeats.

Also to note, I thought H1s were reserved for the top 5-7%. 21% H1 grade is a huge proportion of the class imo.

I heard that accounting usually has a 30-40% fail rate.

As for med...we had about a 5% fail rate, and for each of our exams we usually have about 10% of the cohort getting above 80 and about 4% above 85.

[Hancock]

I heard that accounting usually has a 30-40% fail rate.

As for med...we had about a 5% fail rate, and for each of our exams we usually have about 10% of the cohort getting above 80 and about 4% above 85.

Yeah, that would sound about right because Medicine is such an integrated course (you don't take electives or 4 individual classes as semester I'm pretty sure).

[pi]

As for med...we had about a 5% fail rate, and for each of our exams we usually have about 10% of the cohort getting above 80 and about 4% above 85.

Re: fail rate, we get supps etc and they really try to stop you from failing Most units wouldn't get that though.

(and of course the cohort has a high level of motivation)

[Hancock]

Also, being such similar courses (BSc(biology major) and BBiomed), obviously there is going to be some rivalry as to which one is better. The real question is who gives a fuck? I mean most BBiomed students (general impression and gist from talking to them on campus and on this site) are aiming for post-grad courses. As are BSc students. You're going to learn more or less the same material, it is just mixed and matched into different subjects with different names.

At the end of the day, they are both generalist degrees which don't have professional accreditation.

[golden]

Also, being such similar courses (BSc(biology major) and BBiomed), obviously there is going to be some rivalry as to which one is better. The real question is who gives a fuck?

Well, people who want to learn more about the courses may wonder what the differences are between the courses, but not really which one is a superior course etc.

YOU ARE RIGHT.

[kamil9876]

The first year core subjects aren't amazingly difficult. For our cohort, lots of people (by lots I think maybe half of the cohort or more) seem to have gotten H1 in Biomolecules, 39% got H1 for Maths, EDDA has 120 marks but is only calculated out of 100 marks (so you have a 20 mark buffer for 100%), and I'd say a decent number would've gotten a H1 in Chemistry too. First year cores are not that bad.

It's the 2nd/3rd year cores that a lot of people seem to struggle with though

Where do you obtain this info? Seems interesting.

[Shenz0r]

The lecturer for Maths told the new batch of students that 39% got H1 in their first lecture. EDDA has always had that mark buffer so there are a fair amount of people who get 95+. Bio and Chem were rough estimates based on how smart the cohort is (or really how smart the people I talk to are)

[golden]

This contains a brief conclusion about what I have to say, after this I will go to sleep for the earliest time in a while.

40% of students getting H1 is a disgrace. They should make the subject harder IMO.

Well it's first year bio, it's practically the same from course to course. It's just that you're more likely to be comparing from groups with different distributions as an average statement. Making it harder is going to make the system weirder.

It mostly just exists because people in Biomedicine somehow believe having a double subject worth 25 points which is pretty much just like doing two separate subjects but in one thing which is worth more and therefore you take 3 subjects is 'harder' than doing the two subject separately.  No dice, it's really not.

Harder, maybe not, work load, maybe as I have mentioned previously, is a possibly yes. At the end of the day, I think that it's only just as far as BIOM20001 is concerned in my experience (2nd year) [of which people may not agree with which is totally fine], because HSF (another double subject) is exactly the same as the Science equivalents, with a few removed things here and there patching it up with other parts. Hence I do not believe that it is worth arguing/comparing even if it is harder/easier/the same because this is just one subject; I do not know how this is meant to totally reflect a course.

We are equals, it is possible for Science and Biomedicine students to coexist when Biomedicine students don't insist on acting as if they are 'superior'.  And before people get pissy at me over that comment, note that I don't think that most Biomedicine students think in this way at all.  Most of the ones I plan on associating with anyway.  Just some of them, and they tend to be the ones that have the most opinions in these debates.

I think it's disgusting for anyone to think/act as if they are superior. But there are people like this in every course.
Fortunately the people I have been associating with aren't like this. I hear stories about how biomeds contain a bunch of stuck up weirdos but I am yet to observe any difference from any other courses because from my perspective the cohort is quite kind, humble and closely associating (relatively) and don't seem to be weird around the 'others'. But perhaps it's something that I won't realise unless I look at it from the other perspective deeply, or have yet to realise. Hence I'll leave this open.

Just because the content may differ (slightly) or you have a more integrated subject (isn't this why you were doing Biomedicine in the first place?) doesn't mean that it's harder at all.

I'm not going to read back on posts as seriously cbs but I don't think anyone here strongly argued that slightly different content was a justification as to why the subject was harder, nor integration. I am getting a bit confused. I apologise. I have been suboptimal for the duration of this day.

Wrt people getting 98 ATARs failing, what even are you trying to say?  You need a 98 ATAR to get into the course.  Plenty of people fail Science subjects too.  More people fail Science subjects because more people are enrolled in Science.  Like, statistically, someone is going to fail for one reason or another.  No matter how 'smart' they are meant to be.  Who cares what your ATAR is?

Tick.

Who mentioned me!  I'd say it's not a good reader of stuff in general because Stonecold is smarter than me!!!  So if his subject were harder then he would get around the same mark as me because it's harder but I am dumber and my subject would be easier --> same mark.  I have always considered Stonecold and I to be equals in terms of the similar coursework we do (intelligent, no, I am much less equipped).  I'm sure he would consider us to be the same.  The third year Biomedicine students I know have issues with their course but those issues don't really come down to how 'hard' they feel equivalent subjects are.  Sometimes they feel their weird Biomed only subjects eg M2M are hard on them, but you can't compare that to Science.  It's like comparing apples and oranges.  There is no equivalent.  To flesh out the sample set, Stonecold and I both got 96 in those BIOM200whatever/MIIM200whatever subjects and 96 in Immunology.  However, my inability to finish exams in time saw us separated on Bacteriology which is the other continuation of that subject

I agree. Also, using stonecold and mavisgibbons as a reason to explain the courses at the end of the day makes no sense to me lol. Legends at the game, yes, but in terms of viability as a representative reason as to justify the whole course in totality of which are Science and Biomedicine is ~~~.

[Russ]

This thread is cute. Fail rates in a vacuum are not a good indicator of the difficulty of the course. The average (Melbourne) biomedicine degree is more challenging than the average science degree. People care way too much about this.

[816]

This thread is cute. Fail rates in a vacuum are not a good indicator of the difficulty of the course. The average (Melbourne) biomedicine degree is more challenging than the average science degree. People care way too much about this.

What the hell is the 'average biomedicine degree'?

There are more than one now?

And it honestly isn't, you have huge H1 rates, low fail rates. Be my guest and take engineering subjects for your free-choice subjects if you think it's easier.

[alondouek]

Figure of speech, I'd imagine