I would like to say this to fellow Australians.

[alondouek]

As I understand it, the LNP broadband network will be constructed faster than the ALP's NBN, but it doesn't have the capacity for the NBN's extremely fast upload/download speeds.

My technological understanding is pretty poor, but from what I can ascertain it's because the LNP's network is FTTN (Fibre to the Node), which means that there will be a fibre network but for the final distance of the network which will use existing copper wiring and nodes. Internet speed will depend on how far you are to the node. It's cheaper and faster (presumably) to implement, but cannot match the speeds of the ALP's FTTP (Fibre to the Premises) network, where fibre cable would be delivered directly to the home/business/etc. Understandably, the ALP's network is broader and more expensive, but much, much faster.

If you're passionate about this issue, here's a petition asking the LNP to reconsider their plan, and adopt a FTTP network.

EDIT: A bit of technical improvement (I hope lol)

[MJRomeo81]

TBH both parties are fairly pathetic. You would think that they'd be working together, exchanging ideas to lift up this great country. Yet we saw a desperate Kevin Rudd doing anything to hold onto his seat (asylum seeker policy, I actually prefer Liberals stance rather than PNG solution), and Mr Abbott refusing to acknowledge the benefits of the NBN. To be fair, the NBN rollout so far has been a complete fucking disaster.

Mr Rudd's credibility was gone after he knifed Julia to reclaim leadership. This was the man who said he would never contest again after what happened previously. It seems that the faceless men of the Labor unions have been giving us the PM they want (although don't be surprised if something similar happens between Abbott and Turnbull).

I acknowledge Labor for raising gay marriage and other social issues, but I believe this was only an attempt by Rudd to grab a minority vote and defer attention away from his own government's failures and his ego. I think it's fair to say Rudd has spent the last 3 years destabilizing the Labor Party. Good riddance to him. Tony isn't much better. I cringe when I see his interview in relation to his "shit happens" comment. But the sky isn't going to fall. Let's not forget about the role of the Senate. Perhaps Turnbull will finally have the balls to stand by Labor's FTTH NBN.

I have no idea why uni students on social media are convinced they're fucked now. Gonski review gutted the tertiary sector. Labor were planning to make you pay back the centrelink bonus anyway. $1200 a semester or whatever it was is unsustainable (especially when you consider graduates not being able to find jobs and match the $50k threshold these days...). And for all of those other people saying "gonna leave the country now", then please leave. How immature.

Probably explains why we're seen ridiculous things such as the Motoring Enthusiasts floating around. Where to from here though? Lowest Labor vote for more than 100 years - that sums it up. The country has spoken.

[alondouek]

TBH both parties are fairly pathetic. You would think that they'd be working together, exchanging ideas to lift up this great country. Yet we saw a desperate Kevin Rudd doing anything to hold onto his seat (asylum seeker policy, I actually prefer Liberals stance rather than PNG solution), and Mr Abbott refusing to acknowledge the benefits of the NBN. To be fair, the NBN rollout so far has been a complete fucking disaster.

Mr Rudd's credibility was gone after he knifed Julia to reclaim leadership. This was the man who said he would never contest again after what happened previously. It seems that the faceless men of the Labor unions have been giving us the PM they want (although don't be surprised if something similar happens between Abbott and Turnbull).

I acknowledge Labor for raising gay marriage and other social issues, but I believe this was only an attempt by Rudd to grab a minority vote and defer attention away from his own government's failures and his ego. I think it's fair to say Rudd has spent the last 3 years destabilizing the Labor Party. Good riddance to him. Tony isn't much better. I cringe when I see his interview in relation to his "shit happens" comment. But the sky isn't going to fall. Let's not forget about the role of the Senate. Perhaps Turnbull will finally have the balls to stand by Labor's FTTH NBN.

I have no idea why uni students on social media are convinced they're fucked now. Gonski review gutted the tertiary sector. Labor were planning to make you pay back the centrelink bonus anyway. $1200 a semester or whatever it was is unsustainable (especially when you consider graduates not being able to find jobs and match the $50k threshold these days...). And for all of those other people saying "gonna leave the country now", then please leave. How immature.

Probably explains why we're seen ridiculous things such as the Motoring Enthusiasts floating around. Where to from here though? Lowest Labor vote for more than 100 years - that sums it up. The country has spoken.

Well said!

[charmanderp]

Yep. I apologise to the 3 of you. I poorly worded my first post and was aggressive in my second towards people who don't deserve it (I acted like a real Tony Abbott) I'm going to leave this thread before I screw it up any more than I already have

Don't let climate change and awful internet hit you on the way out.

I endorse everything Nina said in her last post. Also to add to that:

a) education reform. Say what you will about cuts to higher education but our primary and secondary school systems, particularly in under-represented areas needs to grow for our higher education program to keep up on a global scale. The major flaw with Gonski is equal funding to private and public schools, which isn't equitable in my honest opinion.

b) A legitimate plan for infrastructure renewal. Expanding the Melbourne metro train network, an east-west rail link, etc. All vital productivity measures.

c) Genuine progress on same-sex marriage.

[charmanderp]

Today, as a country, we sold our soul for a buck.

A pretty dodgy buck too. We're going to be laughed out of the G20 on the back of this government's economic management, and the fact that we've just discarded the last six year's worth while the rest of the world struggled with recession and we relatively thrived.

[appianway]

In terms of economic management, at least Turnbull has experience as an ex-chief of Goldman Sachs. I wouldn't lose hope just yet.

[JellyDonut]

In terms of economic management, at least Turnbull has experience as an ex-chief of Goldman Sachs. I wouldn't lose hope just yet.

That's hardly a good thing lol

[appianway]

GS is one of the most prestigious banks and actually got through the recession a lot better than many of its peers, and running an investment bank requires a decent understanding of markets and the underlying macroeconomics So at least Turnbull has that experience.

[Mao]

I still don't understand the scare campaign against Liberal's FTTN. Did everyone completely miss the point about the user being able to purchase a fibre line for a few thousand dollars? If the user is going to use the high speed internet for economical gain, then an investment of a few thousand dollars is in every way a sound investment, not in the least that it will raise the property value for reselling. This is the same as how businesses can purchase dedicated fibre lines to their premise from Telcos for not a huge amount of money. Arguing that every household requires a fibre connection is like arguing every house should be connected by a bitumen road.

A fast Internet connection is a luxury. I would of course prefer if it were free (but not really free, the bill is footed by taxpayers), but I realise I need to pay for my own way in life.

Anyways, from what I have understood from information made available to me, the FTTH contracts are so deeply locked that it will be the repeat of the Myki saga. The least bad Abbott can do now is to just let FTTH happen.

The FTTH NBN should never have happened in the first place. Telstra tendered for the equivalent of LNP's FTTN a year before Labor decided on the FTTH plan, at a cost of only 1Bn to the taxpayers. Gillard should have just said yes to Telstra at the time.

[JellyDonut]

GS is one of the most prestigious banks and actually got through the recession a lot better than many of its peers, and running an investment bank requires a decent understanding of markets and the underlying macroeconomics So at least Turnbull has that experience.

Also has a reputation of referring to its clients as "lemmings", knowingly dumped toxic assets onto their clients - which was a big reason for being able to churn out a profit during the gfc (it didn't even stop there, GS allegedly also took out "insurance policies" against said assets, or in other words, betted that those assets would go bust). The controversies go on and on (some of it are on their wiki page which I'm too lazy to post cause I'm on an iPad lol)

[hobbitle]

It's also not like FTTN is a completely different concept to the NBN. It's a way to get better Internet much quicker than waiting for the FTTH to roll out (which has thus far been a disaster and is expected to take more than 7 years at this rate), and once FTTN is rolled out, there's always the option of doing the FTTH option if it is deemed necessary. If you want to jump the gun and pay the you can or else if you wait a year or two it'll probably happen anyway.

Fast Internet is indeed a luxury but I do think Australia is generally slow on the uptake when it comes to most technological and infrastructure developments, so a step forward with Internet speed would be good; we are also slow in a number of other industries and its probably the thing I like least about this country - we aren't really innovators if you look at us collectively.

As much as I love Malcolm, and wish he were PM, realistically it is unlikely he will take over Coalition leadership. He isn't liked that much amongst the Liberals as his opinions on policy are too left and Libs major draw card this election campaign was the fact that Labor was a personelle 'mess' and 'look how stable and consistent the Coalition are'. A leadership spill especially to Malcolm is unlikely in the near future at least. 

I have been a Liberal voter since I could vote but Tonys $4.5b cut to Foreign Aid really made me question my choice. I felt like he really had very little left to offer that was better than Labor even though I hate Rudd and thought that he was spending a lot of time pandering to single-issue voters. But Abbott really is making us a mean country, and whilst I'm glad he's in power  I still don't feel great about it. Neither choice was appealing and I suppose that's the ultimate problem. We have two centrist parties (some policies from Labor are even more right than Lib eg PNG) and as mentioned earlier, they should really be working together to lift up Australia which is a great country but could offer so much more globally. Instead of mud slinging and petty playground arguments, TRYING to find differences in policy they can use against eachother, they could just decide to work together.

[appianway]

Also has a reputation of referring to its clients as "lemmings", knowingly dumped toxic assets onto their clients - which was a big reason for being able to churn out a profit during the gfc (it didn't even stop there, GS allegedly also took out "insurance policies" against said assets, or in other words, betted that those assets would go bust). The controversies go on and on (some of it are on their wiki page which I'm too lazy to post cause I'm on an iPad lol)

Taking out insurance policies is hedging and is a common practice in a lot of funds, but anyway...

[charmanderp]

We have two centrist parties (some policies from Labor are even more right than Lib eg PNG) and as mentioned earlier, they should really be working together to lift up Australia which is a great country but could offer so much more globally. Instead of mud slinging and petty playground arguments, TRYING to find differences in policy they can use against eachother, they could just decide to work together.

Not sure I agree with the bolded bit. But I love the sentiment of the last two sentences!

[JellyDonut]

Taking out insurance policies is hedging and is a common practice in a lot of funds, but anyway...

Its hedging if you have an exposed position. If you sold toxic assets to your customers you no longer have a claim in it. It's to show a conflict of interest between what GS is marketing and what their actual practice is

[90+FTW]

The labor party was the worst fucking joke in the history of Australian politics.

Are you deluded?

Tony Abbott is a narrow minded, moron who thinks that climate change is "absolute crap" - I won't even mention his homophobic beliefs. He is a backward thinking, right winged lunatic, who has been previously charged with sexual assault (look it up). He is planning to cut numerous jobs and raise tertiary costs. He even struggles to answer any questions (particularly during his abc interviews), evading the topic all together in order to condemn the labour party. THERE IS A REASON HE IS ONE OF WORST LIKED AUSTRALIAN POLITICIANS. I admit that the labour party has made major mistakes, but with Abbott in lead the "rich get richer and the poor get poorer."

Australia will realize what a big cock up they've made, and they'll come crawling back to the labour party. We oscillate between politicians, this is how it's always been in Australia.