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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2013, 10:17:17 am »
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What's the difference between 99.90 and 99.95 again?

And while you guys are talking about these insanely high scores (actually aiming for 50 on spesh!?!) I'm sitting here calculating my ATAR if I got 40 on English, 40 on physics, 35 on spesh, 40 on methods and 30 on chemistry... I would be a very satisfied man as that gives me an ATAR of 96+ and should guarantee me a spot in Bachelor of science at Melbourne Uni.


Meanwhile plenty of my friends at school are talking about their hopes of 70-80s and how insanely happy they would be if they achieved that...

I feel the same, but I guess you have to remember that people have different expectations and goals for themselves, which must be respected.

I don't think there's any real difference between a 99.90 and 99.95 anyway. Many universities recognise both equally and provide bursaries for both.
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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2013, 10:25:45 am »
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Monash uni scholarships make a distinction between 99.90 and 99.95
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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2013, 12:40:35 pm »
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Is atarcalc reliable in this regard? I've fiddled with the scores a few times for the sake of it.
As for what I'm worried about...a below 40 in English Language would more than undo a 55 in spesh and my 52 in Chinese. It's not impossible. At the worst I've done so far, I wouldn't make 40. No way.
It's roughly accurate, in the sense the scaling is based off the values given in scaling reports, i.e. 50 45 40 35 e.t.c, and (linearly?) interpolating between those values. I.e. putting in what I got for my year is slightly off, but close enough. Some people will have spot on with what they got and others will be slightly more off, just depends on where in the interpolation you fall. Then the aggregates change each year anyways, as well as scaling (well small changes for scaling depending on the year).

In other words, it gives a good ballpark estimate, it's accurate enough to give you a good idea. At the end of the day you can't really tell until everyone sits exams and gets marked anyways, as the higher study scores could be taken by less people who get more of them or vice-versa.

Best way to look at it is to just do the best you can, whatever happens, happens, as long as you tried your best then you should be able to be happy with whatever you end up with (at the end of the day it's just a number, and while some people will wear it as a badge of pride, to fuel their ego and keep bringing it up in uni (probably best to avoid those people), no one cares a few weeks after they come out anyways. As long as in you get into the course that you're after, then it's all good).

EDIT: Tangent-ed slightly, but anyways.
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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2013, 04:10:49 pm »
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The short answer to OP is that yes, it is possible most years. As for it being ridiculously hard, that is true - but then you must also keep in mind that we're talking about a 99.95, being in the top 0.05% of your age cohort in the State. It is only natural that it's ridiculously difficult. Last year, when the aggregate cutoff was 209.9, we would essentially be talking of four 50s, and your bottom two subject (scaled) scores adding up to 99.

It does make it a lot easier if you are doing a subject which scales above 50 (and you hit that score), that's for sure. For every subject score above 50, it alleviates from the required score at the other end.

One point which I think is important to raise is that, despite only been .05 of a percentile, there is a significant difference between 99.95 and 99.90, as well as between 99.90 and 99.85. We're talking about (on average) two or more aggregate points here, which is a difference of a whole percentile at lower ranges (same difference as between 89 and 90). People certainly miss out on courses by this much. It hurts, but such is the system - you have hard caps, and so you need hard cut-offs.

Some languages only scale to 51 or 52, which isn't the "massive OP bonus" most people expect.

Out of the 50 or so LOTEs, there are only half a dozen with "large scaling":
Chinese (SL) max SS 54
Chinese (SL Advanced) max SS 53
Classical Greek max SS 55
Hebrew max SS 55
Korean (SL) max SS 53
Latin max SS 55
Scaling Report 2012

BUT, I strongly suggest you do not choose these language subjects just for the scaling. You will be competing against a very strong cohort of year 12s. In those 6 subjects the average SS are between 40-45, so a lot a competition. I know a lot of friends that did Chinese from a Chinese background and they didn't go that flash
The same for spesh, to anyone reading this post please never choose a subject based on it's scaling!!! You have to do well in order to get the scaling... or you'll just be wasting time and be at a disadvantage.
I can only reinforce this so much. Taking Hebrew for example - a study I'm obviously familiar with - over half of all students taking the subject are native speakers. The rest are almost wholly advanced second-language speakers, quite often with a Hebrew-speaking family. Although the circumstances are presumably slightly different for each one, each of those studies is an incredibly competitive one, and that is reflected in the scaling. If you speak one of these languages, great, go right ahead and do the subject. But don't just pick it up thinking that you're going to get 50+ or even 40+ scaled, because that, quite simply, is entirely unreasonable.

I'm a bit confused as to what you said about the average SS being 40+, though. Do you meant the scaled score? (Also, since there are no 50s in most of those subjects, the maximum score may be a point lower than the one Alwin wrote.)

Since spesh scaling works slightly differently than other subjects, I would recommend doing it for the marks if you are strong mathematically. Actually, I'd generally recommend doing it if you are interested in maths and are looking to do something in university that is relevant to mathematics.
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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2013, 05:06:29 pm »
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Oh how this reminds me of myself 3 years ago. It's okay, life works out in the end :)

Wow.....

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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2013, 06:46:02 pm »
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Monash uni scholarships make a distinction between 99.90 and 99.95

But you get a free gym membership either way :))


@Trombonius, yes those are scaled average scores. I just put them in there (not to scare people of making a bad decision) but to remind people that choosing a LOTE is not an "easy way" to get bonus aggregate points. eg right not im looking at like a 25 in Indo :P
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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2013, 07:58:37 pm »
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if you're having VCE problems i feel bad for you son, I've got 99.95 problems but my ATAR ain't one

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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2013, 08:11:03 pm »
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Any idea what the lowest study score is that has contributed for someone who has gotten a 99.95? 99.90?
I'd love to think I can crack the second one, but I also don't see myself getting much over a 25-30 in Music Style.
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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2013, 10:06:02 pm »
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Warning overkill coming
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Okay, so I decided to run a numbers for the past couple years to find out what it takes, on average, to get specific ATARs.
Using excel and googling for stats, I got this (should mention my formula for the 6th subject is a bit off for ATAR's < 90 mainly because most people in that range only did five subject or accelerated in a subject the year before (6th) and didn't go so well... I think...?)
Also, the aggregate values are straight from VCAA stats, and the numbers I came up with for each subject atelier just based on a simple excel formula of roundin and maintaining averages.
Still adjusting it so please bear with me and point out any mistakes!

2012
2012

2011
2011

2010
2010

2009
2009

2008
2008

Just some averages I came up with
Averages

The point?
1) Clearly I have too much time on my hands :P
2) I like colour coding things :))
3) But most importantly, every year except in 2011 it's been possible to get 99.95 without spesh or LOTE that scales above 50. It' s just that you have to be at the very top of your game for your 6 subjects... which can be just as hard as doing spesh and a LOTE.

I hope that this definitively answers the OP's question without a shadow of a doubt.
But really, it's great to aim high for 99.95, but you should be pleased with whatever you get because the number 0.05 shouldn't rule your life :))

GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE THIS YEAR ^^
« Last Edit: September 27, 2013, 10:55:57 pm by Alwin »
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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2013, 10:42:57 pm »
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1) Scaling is done to two decimal places, there's no point restricting it to integer scores

2) Why did you make the 1st-5th subjects as close as possible, and then the 6th much further away?

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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2013, 10:47:26 pm »
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1) Clearly I have too much time on my hands :P

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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2013, 05:52:09 pm »
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24 in latin is 40.6 so he pretty much got 49+55+50+50+3.2+4 which is an aggregate of 211.2
you can see how much doing spesh can help because the >50 study score can alleviate the demands for the other subjects as trombonius said

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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2013, 06:19:06 pm »
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How does Latin scale up by 16? crazy..

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Re: Can you get a 99.95 without Specialist mathematics or Language?
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2013, 06:23:10 pm »
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An extremely strong cohort + LOTE bonus.

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