Correlation between VCE results and intelligence

[Noblesse]

Hai guyz. I watch Gossip Girl. Does that make me unintelligent?

On a more serious tone, scoring high naturally requires a form of relatively high intelligence.

[qshyrn]

vce results does not correlate with intelligence.... it correlates with how hard you work.

but do you need some form of intelligence to be able to understand the concept of working hard?

well u need only a minimal amount of intelligence to realize that if you don't work hard, you will not get a good job and will just spend your life flipping burgers.

[TrueTears]

vce results does not correlate with intelligence.... it correlates with how hard you work.

but do you need some form of intelligence to be able to understand the concept of working hard?

well u need only a minimal amount of intelligence to realize that if you don't work hard, you will not get a good job and will just spend your life flipping burgers.

Is flipping burgers a bad thing? I'd love to master the art of flipping burgers

[/0]

Unless you are seriously gifted (1 in a 500 at least) then its not possible to do 'extremely well' with minimal effort. I think most of them are lieing about how 'little' work they do. I know a few people who clearly do more work than they make it out to, who have everyone convinced they do 'nothing'.

Lol this guy at my school always brags about how he owns all the tests without doing any work. Every year his rank in the cohort has been steadily dropping (in the bad way).

[shinny]

well u need only a minimal amount of intelligence to realize that if you don't work hard, you will not get a good job and will just spend your life flipping burgers.

People are still neglecting something which I subtly brought up earlier in;

Although I'm unaware of his actual score, or any circumstances which may have impacted on it, I don't think this is necessary to the point he's making anyway.

There is usually more to people's lives than just study, and I don't mean in just the leisure time aspect. Some people may have to work to support their own families (I had numerous friends like this), or they might not have the financial resources to get access to all the resources which they require to have something into which effort can be put into in the first place. Various family or relationship problems can have similar effects during VCE. Whilst such reasons obviously won't be in all cases (although they're probably in a lot more than we think considering people don't like to talk about it), I think it's definitely a factor which affects the correlation between VCE results and intelligence.

[zzdfa]

well u need only a minimal amount of intelligence to realize that if you don't work hard, you will not get a good job and will just spend your life flipping burgers.

that's true of life in general, but not of vce.

some ppl dont see the need to work that hard because they don't need that high of a score to get into their course of choice. perhaps that's also a form of intelligence? spending only enough time to pass the hurdle. of course if you get a good score you get scholarships/praise but for some people the extra investment of time is not worth it.

[mark_alec]

There is a correlation.

[Fyrefly]

I'd agree with Lukeperry.  You have intelligent people who aren't able to apply their intelligence due to laziness/lack of a good education, leading to lower ENTERs than they deserve.

If an intelligent person gets a low ENTER simply through laziness, then I'd argue that they deserve the ENTER they get...

[EvangelionZeta]

Smartest lazy person I know got 95 for his VCE after starting his study 1 hour before the actual exams.  ^^

[QuantumJG]

Personally I do think VCE results do give a sketchy idea of how intelligent someone is.

i.e. To me say someone who is good at maths will have a higher chance of getting a better study score than someone who isn't.

If you really want to see someone's intelligence compare the VCE results and university results of a student and then you will get a better idea of how intelligent they are.

As what other people say, if someone has access to more resources than another person the person with more resources will have a better chance of doing better. One thing is that the resources allows the student to understand what is expected from them in an exam, etc. Also people who have more stress in their life than others, this factor will come into play with determining how they will perform in VCE.

I have gone through the whole VCE system and I will say that it will be detrimental to some and really be great for others. We don't like a number being put next to our name (one that is lower than say your friend that is), because our sense of worth we feel is reflected by this. People who put in more work than the other person who will seem to breeze through what you are doing, makes you feel as though you must be doing something wrong as you invest all this time to achieve less than the person who breezes through the content (been here).

I got an ENTER that I felt was good but not overly that good. Additionally it was a score that was lower than some of my friends which was the real problem. Overall the game of VCE is not a fun thing, it leaves many people feeling inadequate, many people without a means of studying what they truly want (Thank god I got into what I really wanted to do that in itself is a real achievement) after year 12. Year 12 itself was a great year in itself but the VCE component is not nice to people.

I will finish with what a friend of mine at uni said (yes we still do have the odd chat about our experience of VCE):

"Someone who got an 86 and needed only 85 to do science (their first preference), has achieved more than someone who achieved 99.00 when they needed 99.10 for medicine (their first preference)".

Those scores aren't accurate they are just intended to give an example. I guess that at the end of the day it a good feeling to know that you have the privilege to study what you truly want to do. Succeed in what you want to do and you have truly achieved more than the guy with 99+.

[TrueLight]

correlation does not equal cause! .... now where did i hear that...............

[shinny]

"Someone who got an 86 and needed only 85 to do science (their first preference), has achieved more than someone who achieved 99.00 when they needed 90.10 for medicine (their first preference)".

I don't quite get that example. How so? Is it meant to read "has achieved more than someone who achieved 90.10 when they needed 99.00 for medicine", because then that'd make sense. Otherwise, I'd still say the 99.00'er has achieved more since they both got into their respective courses anyway.

[zzdfa]

]isnt that why the topic is about correlation? not cause?^

i.e. To me say someone who is good at maths will have a higher chance of getting a better study score than someone who isn't.

definitely, look at the scaling on that thing
edit, oops misread 'study score' as 'enter'.

"Someone who got an 86 and needed only 85 to do science (their first preference), has achieved more than someone who achieved 99.00 when they needed 90.10 for medicine (their first preference)".

I don't quite get that example. How so? Is it meant to read "has achieved more than someone who achieved 90.10 when they needed 99.00 for medicine", because then that'd make sense. Otherwise, I'd still say the 99.00'er has achieved more since they both got into their respective courses anyway.

more like 99.00 when he needed 99.10

[Mao]

[TrueLight]

lol yep...... well then there probably is a correlation if u plot it out...... if u mean by intelligence ppl who get A+ all the time, then obviously those ppl will get higher vce results than ppl who generally get E's.....