Correlation between VCE results and intelligence

[Mao]

lol yep...... well then there probably is a correlation if u plot it out...... if u mean by intelligence ppl who get A+ all the time, then obviously those ppl will get higher vce results than ppl who generally get E's.....

By intelligence I mean how well someone can think for themselves and solve problems, which is not something that can be easily taught.
But VCE is not all about intelligence. Being careful and paying attention to detail can compensate for somewhat less brainpower, the smartest overseas student cannot get a good score because of a lack of proficiency in English. The most intelligent kid cannot achieve his/her best in a poor state school because of a lack of resources [unless of course, there are other resources such as VN]. Etc.
And then there's the overwhelming factor of laziness.

[excal]

I decided to take it easy in Year 12, rather than stress out about it (and received an ENTER that reflected that). Does that make me not intelligent?

Correlation? Probably. Cause? No.

[kurrymuncher]

I decided to take it easy in Year 12, rather than stress out about it (and received an ENTER that reflected that). Does that make me not intelligent?

Correlation? Probably. Cause? No.

excuse me for asking, but why did you decide to take it easy in the most important year of school.

[asdasdasd]

Invest a lot of time and memorise a heap of crap without having a full understanding of really what's happening and you can still obtain a fairly high ENTER without really being 'smart'. The vast majority of people that do VCE are capable of 90+ without question, it's really just a matter of time investment.

I don't think ENTER really means anything. I know people who have got 95+ and are still complete idiots who can't think individually.

[kamil9876]

Maybe results are a lower bound of your ability; whatever you achieve means that you are at least on that level and achieving low doesn't rule you our for achieving what someone else has that has achieved more.

Probably a very optimistic perpective but meh.


Also remember that even though if feels important, there's a lot beyond vce. To put things into perspective:

Math/Science example:

*Grade 3: spitting out times tables as fast as you can determined your place on the retard to genius scale.
*Year 7: Similair to grade 3 only more variety with questions
*vce: Manipulating boring algebraic expressions, plugging in numbers as quickly and mistake-free as possible and deciphering almost ambigous statements. Memorizing disconnected facts in a random order.
*undergrad: Similair to vce but more sophisticated, the actual lecturers are more respectful/entertaining. Facts not so disconnected. 
*postgrad: Proving some theorems.
*PhD: analysing the inner workings of some specific result.
*Nobel Prize/Fields Medal: Extending some area in a possibly elegant and insightful way.
*Senior: Inspiring the next generation, finding the next Ramanujan.

Arts:

*Grade 3: spelling words with silent letters well.
*High school: writing fluent essays and memorizing possibly meaningless books.
*Uni: learning some interesting shiz.
*Later: Contributing something intelligent to society. (sorry, i don't know much about arts)


Simply, things get more significant and you place less emphasis on the past; realising that, for example, vce is a very incomplete picture of reality (compare year12 math to grade 3 timestables as an analogy for those who do not know this yet).

[excal]

I decided to take it easy in Year 12, rather than stress out about it (and received an ENTER that reflected that). Does that make me not intelligent?

Correlation? Probably. Cause? No.

excuse me for asking, but why did you decide to take it easy in the most important year of school.

Why? Because I valued my mental health at that point in time. Also, I didn't have a desire to get into the 99+ courses (and my first preference was for a 90 clear-in course). I also wanted to peruse my passion in music a bit more.

I found VCE to be a very enriching time rather than a stressful time. Looking back, three years on, I have no regrets.

[TrueLight]

last two posts..... wise words of wisdom  :angel:

[ninwa]

There are different kinds of intelligence. There are people who can get 99+ enters but lack social intelligence, logical reasoning, musical intelligence etc.

*puts hand up*

In my experience, luck has a lot to do with it, as well as a good choice of subjects. My 2 highest scoring subjects were music and business management; music because I've been playing instruments and studying music theory since I was 4 so I wasn't really learning anything new, and business management because I was good at straight memorising chunks of information and regurgitating it in SACs/exam.

In other words, I was like this:

Invest a lot of time and memorise a heap of crap without having a full understanding of really what's happening and you can still obtain a fairly high ENTER without really being 'smart'.

I'm reluctant to say intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with a high ENTER as there are many high-scoring VNers who are some of the most intelligent people I've ever met, but I believe that other factors also play a major part. One thing is for certain though: low ENTER does not mean low intelligence.

[Collin Li]

Re: anecdotal discussions about people not doing well despite their intelligence

Deviations from the rule do not rule out "correlation". They are merely noise.

I was "noise" for the English, but I still think there's a correlation between marks and intelligence - it doesn't mean that I'm limited by it, because I'm only one data point, other factors that were not considered may affect the correlation.

For those who've done regressions, this is omitted variable bias.

[wombifat]

The probably is, but a lot of the most intelligent people are the people who bomb out.

[costargh]

The probably is, but a lot of the most intelligent people are the people who bomb out.

How do you know that?

[appianway]

Here's my two cents.

Highly intelligent people are likely to achieve higher scores than people who struggle to comprehend the concepts. However, if you were to compare the intellect of people with top end scores (let's say 99.5+), you'd probably find that the smartest (and hard working!) students weren't getting all of the 99.95s. Rather, the marks in this region really boil down to how the exams "click" with individuals on the day, the markers assigned to each paper and the thoughts running through each student's head directly before the examination.

[NE2000]

Here's my two cents.

Highly intelligent people are likely to achieve higher scores than people who struggle to comprehend the concepts. However, if you were to compare the intellect of people with top end scores (let's say 99.5+), you'd probably find that the smartest (and hard working!) students weren't getting all of the 99.95s. Rather, the marks in this region really boil down to how the exams "click" with individuals on the day, the markers assigned to each paper and the thoughts running through each student's head directly before the examination.

Also at that high level, languages and english become the make-or-break factor, and some people are highly intelligent but maths-science intelligent and that's what keeps them from the 99.95s.

[/0]

All the smartest people are off at the olympiads and probably don't have a care for VCE. After all, if you've done well in an olympiad a university would be crazy to refuse you.

[EvangelionZeta]

You'd be surprised, /0.  Most Olympiad-level people I know ended up with 99+ ENTER scores anyway (take a look at the ex-Maths Olympians from your school, even...).

And NE2000, not that it really matters or anything, but also remember the highly intelligent humanities people who get gibbed (ie. not 50) because of the slightly subjective nature of the marking, and who similarly don't get 99.95 because they don't have the markups of maths-science.