What do you think can/should be done about bullying??

[stonecold]

Remember that this was over 30 years ago and it was much different back then. Basically I'm sure that is why corporal punishment was removed because teachers were abusing it.

At school I preferred being taught by older teachers, since the younger teachers were usually crap and never really taught anything. In year 10 we had a young maths teacher for half of the year who didn't really teach anything and then when we did pre-methods we had an older teacher who was just brilliant.

The quality of teachers (IMO) are dropping.

We know a professor of education (very passionate about her field and reads all the time - btw she hates the VCE English curriculum). Anyway she was telling us about her students and their assignment was to write an assignment for year 8's in SOSE (obviously not a real assignment). Anyway she said that they all lacked originality. 

To be fair, they don't really have anything that original to base it on to start with when you look at some of the crap assignments I've got given over the years.  All teachers do is recycle assignments year after year.  They are lazy.  When they get 10-12 weeks paid leave each year, you think for the time which they actually are working they could put in some kind of effort.

[kyzoo]

Lol I love all my teachers, the only complaint I have is that they will write up notes on the board for others to copy down - I don't like this encouragement of transcribing information word-for-word without trying to interpret it through a personal perspective.

- @ amirite: I actually never met a older teacher who was bitter, depressed, and moaning about their pay. My 65ish year-old head-of-house is one of the most energetic people I have met.

[Albeno69]

Remember that this was over 30 years ago and it was much different back then. Basically I'm sure that is why corporal punishment was removed because teachers were abusing it.

At school I preferred being taught by older teachers, since the younger teachers were usually crap and never really taught anything. In year 10 we had a young maths teacher for half of the year who didn't really teach anything and then when we did pre-methods we had an older teacher who was just brilliant.

The quality of teachers (IMO) are dropping.

We know a professor of education (very passionate about her field and reads all the time - btw she hates the VCE English curriculum). Anyway she was telling us about her students and their assignment was to write an assignment for year 8's in SOSE (obviously not a real assignment). Anyway she said that they all lacked originality. 

To be fair, they don't really have anything that original to base it on to start with when you look at some of the crap assignments I've got given over the years.  All teachers do is recycle assignments year after year.  They are lazy.  When they get 10-12 weeks paid leave each year, you think for the time which they actually are working they could put in some kind of effort.

i disagree i recon teachers get the hardest time they put up with so much shit at certain schools. Not sayin im a fan of teachers though.lol

[Albeno69]

It's so true, it really is limited to certain schools and areas IMO.

I have seen teacehrs SWORN at (in their face), given the finger, and have their accents bagged.

Yet when I went to another school in year 9 this was non-existent. Classes were absolutely quiet when the teacher talked, and the connection between student/teacehr was very close.

yea it just depends on the kind of students you have it took my school till end of yr 11 to expell all the d**ks who didnt wanna lean and disrupted the class. I have seen a teach swear walk out and then retire the day after. not a good thing.

[Albeno69]

Which then leads to the teacher shortage we have.

The really diffuclyt thing is, is that its the GRADUATE TEACHERS who get targeted the most due to inexperience/difficulty etc, and they then have a bad impression of teaching, and may quit.

In Perth I heard they have established schools where disruptive students are placed. I think they should do it ehre as well, where people who get suspended many times, and are disruptive get sent there. And over at the institutions they should have really tog uh line teacehrs, so we can get rid of the idiots which plague our system and make learning difficult for others.

Seriously, half the idiots only exist because they're forced to come to school. 

yea I totaly agree but the thing is that I don't think it's geting any better looking at the yr 7 there little shits, not all but some.
You see there mistreated and posibly underpaid but I'm not sure on that. Why would u want to become a teacher if ur not respected and posibly underpaid.

[brightsky]

Yeah, there was a lot of hype about teachers getting underpaid. In fact, teachers are probably among the worst paid professionals (excluding the extraneous private tutors or private school educators).

[Albeno69]

Yeah, there was a lot of hype about teachers getting underpaid. In fact, teachers are probably among the worst paid professionals (excluding the extraneous private tutors or private school educators).

I thought they were underpaid just not 100% shore.

[Albeno69]

Yea but when u think about it teachers work on holidays on the corse atleast the good ones do.

[Albeno69]

Yea true realy it depends on the teacher.

[QuantumJG]

Which then leads to the teacher shortage we have.

The really diffuclyt thing is, is that its the GRADUATE TEACHERS who get targeted the most due to inexperience/difficulty etc, and they then have a bad impression of teaching, and may quit.

In Perth I heard they have established schools where disruptive students are placed. I think they should do it ehre as well, where people who get suspended many times, and are disruptive get sent there. And over at the institutions they should have really tog uh line teacehrs, so we can get rid of the idiots which plague our system and make learning difficult for others.

Seriously, half the idiots only exist because they're forced to come to school.  

yea I totaly agree but the thing is that I don't think it's geting any better looking at the yr 7 there little shits, not all but some.
You see there mistreated and posibly underpaid but I'm not sure on that. Why would u want to become a teacher if ur not respected and posibly underpaid.

There is absolutely no way I could become a teacher (Just think of the kids you would have to put up with), I have emotional scars from being at primary school and junior high school. I personally would like to be an academic, expanding my knowledge and giving lectures about my field.

[Albeno69]

Which then leads to the teacher shortage we have.

The really diffuclyt thing is, is that its the GRADUATE TEACHERS who get targeted the most due to inexperience/difficulty etc, and they then have a bad impression of teaching, and may quit.

In Perth I heard they have established schools where disruptive students are placed. I think they should do it ehre as well, where people who get suspended many times, and are disruptive get sent there. And over at the institutions they should have really tog uh line teacehrs, so we can get rid of the idiots which plague our system and make learning difficult for others.

Seriously, half the idiots only exist because they're forced to come to school. 

yea I totaly agree but the thing is that I don't think it's geting any better looking at the yr 7 there little shits, not all but some.
You see there mistreated and posibly underpaid but I'm not sure on that. Why would u want to become a teacher if ur not respected and posibly underpaid.

There is absolutely no way I could become a teacher (Just think of the kids you would have to put up with), I have emotional scars from being at primary school and junior high school. I personally would like to be an academic, expanding my knowledge and giving lectures about my field.

Yea from what i see people do at school i work with i teacher and she doing intership or somthing at a high end school, grammar school ext, and the kids arnt rude they just think that they own everything and she goes the kids constantly say i pay u now do wat i want. not if a kid said that to me and im 25 i would probably struggle to hold myself from hitting the kid personally.

[Albeno69]

yea but i dont think it will ever get better until the generation changes and i dont thing that will be for awhile. The thing is if it was a class of losers i wouldn't care but when there idiots and distract the teacher from her/his job that's when it annoys me. Also that as children u should respect or at least not constantly argue with teachers, WHO ARE THERE TO HELP THE STUDENT NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND.

[QuantumJG]

Which then leads to the teacher shortage we have.

The really diffuclyt thing is, is that its the GRADUATE TEACHERS who get targeted the most due to inexperience/difficulty etc, and they then have a bad impression of teaching, and may quit.

In Perth I heard they have established schools where disruptive students are placed. I think they should do it ehre as well, where people who get suspended many times, and are disruptive get sent there. And over at the institutions they should have really tog uh line teacehrs, so we can get rid of the idiots which plague our system and make learning difficult for others.

Seriously, half the idiots only exist because they're forced to come to school.  

yea I totaly agree but the thing is that I don't think it's geting any better looking at the yr 7 there little shits, not all but some.
You see there mistreated and posibly underpaid but I'm not sure on that. Why would u want to become a teacher if ur not respected and posibly underpaid.

There is absolutely no way I could become a teacher (Just think of the kids you would have to put up with), I have emotional scars from being at primary school and junior high school. I personally would like to be an academic, expanding my knowledge and giving lectures about my field.

Yea from what i see people do at school i work with i teacher and she doing intership or somthing at a high end school, grammar school ext, and the kids arnt rude they just think that they own everything and she goes the kids constantly say i pay u now do wat i want. not if a kid said that to me and im 25 i would probably struggle to hold myself from hitting the kid personally.

Yeah students at any school you work at, would have some some way to attack you emotionally. Public schools would have abusive students and private schools would have students discussing socioeconomic status with you.

  

[Albeno69]

Which then leads to the teacher shortage we have.

The really diffuclyt thing is, is that its the GRADUATE TEACHERS who get targeted the most due to inexperience/difficulty etc, and they then have a bad impression of teaching, and may quit.

In Perth I heard they have established schools where disruptive students are placed. I think they should do it ehre as well, where people who get suspended many times, and are disruptive get sent there. And over at the institutions they should have really tog uh line teacehrs, so we can get rid of the idiots which plague our system and make learning difficult for others.

Seriously, half the idiots only exist because they're forced to come to school. 

yea I totaly agree but the thing is that I don't think it's geting any better looking at the yr 7 there little shits, not all but some.
You see there mistreated and posibly underpaid but I'm not sure on that. Why would u want to become a teacher if ur not respected and posibly underpaid.

There is absolutely no way I could become a teacher (Just think of the kids you would have to put up with), I have emotional scars from being at primary school and junior high school. I personally would like to be an academic, expanding my knowledge and giving lectures about my field.

Yea from what i see people do at school i work with i teacher and she doing intership or somthing at a high end school, grammar school ext, and the kids arnt rude they just think that they own everything and she goes the kids constantly say i pay u now do wat i want. not if a kid said that to me and im 25 i would probably struggle to hold myself from hitting the kid personally.

Yeah students at any school you work at, would have some some way to attack you emotionally. Public schools would have abusive students and private schools would have students discussing socioeconomic status with you.

   

so true. And they wonder wehy ppl dont want to become high school teachers.

[QuantumJG]

yea but i dont think it will ever get better until the generation changes and i dont thing that will be for awhile.

If you think about it our generations are probably becoming more appreciative with education than what people did in the past. In my parent's day, you didn't require a degree to do jobs that require a degree now (well you had a few more doors open back then without a degree). Also the number of people holding bachelor degrees is increasing.

The only new thing our generation has with bullying, is that bullies have new media to bully their peers with. I can't really say it's worse now, we are just looking at it's effects more closely now. Let me rephrase this, you have the same bullies finding new ways to invent the same wheel.  

Ultimately you cannot expect a change in primal human nature (I.e. To try and oppress your peers) through new generations.