English Advanced Question Thread

[anotherworld2b]

Oh okay  . I just finished yr 11 yesterday so I'm simply practising writing responses for my weakest subject English.My teacher said voice would be very important next year that's why I'm currently practising these responses that do not have marks allocated to them. I have more questions if that's okay.  For my previous post for the question 'How does the voice employed by Galarrwuy Yunupingu in ‘Tradition, Truth and Tomorrow’ convey his pride in his Aboriginal Identity and his sense of belonging to his country? My teacher commented that how a successful response is structured depends on the question. But I was wondering how would you know what structure to do to answer a particular question?

In regards to embedding a quote would a sentence like this for example be considered as having a quote successfully embedded in it?
In addition, the use of first person narration ‘My name was Salmon’ in past tense further enhances the narrator’s voice by her nonchalant acceptance of being dead.

I've also tried embedding the quote like this:
In addition, the use of first person narration in 'My name was Salmon' in past tense further enhances the narrator’s voice by her nonchalant acceptance of being dead.

What other ways could be used to embed a quote? I also wanted to ask which way do you prefer to embed a quote? Would you get higher marks for embedding quotes in a particular way?( I would like to experiment and practise embedding quotes into sentences  )
I wanted to ask what would be the best way to embed two quotes into a sentence like this?:

The author utilises first person to describe common mundane subjects such as the identity of her ‘favourite teacher Mr Botte’ and her mother liking her murderer’s ‘border flowers’ to enhance the tone of detachment from life in the narrator’s voice.

I also wanted to ask in regards to modality in constructing voice. How would you identify the modality in a text? For example Martin Luther's 'I have a dream'? Taking into consideration your advice I believe that 'I have a dream' by Martin Luther has high modality but I'm not sure what aspects/features have influenced my response? I recall that you talked about expressing a nature? What do you mean by nature? I also wanted to ask for low modality how exactly could it be inviting in a passive way? I'm not sure how to identify low modality in a text?

I apologise for asking so many questions 

Spoiler

Rather than saying "quote" which can sound quite disjointed at times, the best option is to embed it. So, "The simile used by Smith to personify the brush, "*enter quote here*"... Or, make the quote as small as possible, instead of using an entire sentence, just take the exact bit you need and slice it into a sentence.
If you can't embed the quote, because it's too long or too awkward, then try synonyms for "quote" like excerpt.

High and low modality are very important in speeches. High modality is usually most persuasive in a confident, demanding way. "We must bring our children to the highest quality education" incites a lot of emotion and power. So the audience is likely to feel encouraged to act in that way. Low modality is often unsure, although it can be inviting in a passive way. Usually, you'll find that masculine personas speak in high modality and feminine personas use low modality. It's about expressing a nature.

As for tone, it's a little more tricky because it's just broader. The tone that someone talks in usually isn't able to be pin pointed to one sentence, but rather a collection of sentences that give off a "vibe." Tone is important, nonetheless. If someone is using high modality, but they are speaking in a condescending tone, they incite a different response to the person who used high modality in an optimistic tone. Tone doesn't work the best on its own, it compliments other aspects of the text. Tone is most clearly expressed through word choice and syntax!

First and third person personas can do both of what you said above, but it doesn't have to be that way. First person personas can be intimate, although not always. Sometimes they are still quite detached in what they reveal. A first person narrator isn't always an open book, they can still be quite reserved. Third person persona isn't always detached, although it can be. It can also be voyeuristic, or omniscient.

Let me know if you want to flesh out any more of these ideas. It seems like you're really working hard on this assessment!

[Happy Physics Land]

Oh okay  . I just finished yr 11 yesterday so I'm simply practising writing responses for my weakest subject English.My teacher said voice would be very important next year that's why I'm currently practising these responses that do not have marks allocated to them. I have more questions if that's okay.  For my previous post for the question 'How does the voice employed by Galarrwuy Yunupingu in ‘Tradition, Truth and Tomorrow’ convey his pride in his Aboriginal Identity and his sense of belonging to his country? My teacher commented that how a successful response is structured depends on the question. But I was wondering how would you know what structure to do to answer a particular question?

In regards to embedding a quote would a sentence like this for example be considered as having a quote successfully embedded in it?
In addition, the use of first person narration ‘My name was Salmon’ in past tense further enhances the narrator’s voice by her nonchalant acceptance of being dead.

I've also tried embedding the quote like this:
In addition, the use of first person narration in 'My name was Salmon' in past tense further enhances the narrator’s voice by her nonchalant acceptance of being dead.

What other ways could be used to embed a quote? I also wanted to ask which way do you prefer to embed a quote? Would you get higher marks for embedding quotes in a particular way?( I would like to experiment and practise embedding quotes into sentences  )
I wanted to ask what would be the best way to embed two quotes into a sentence like this?:

The author utilises first person to describe common mundane subjects such as the identity of her ‘favourite teacher Mr Botte’ and her mother liking her murderer’s ‘border flowers’ to enhance the tone of detachment from life in the narrator’s voice.

I also wanted to ask in regards to modality in constructing voice. How would you identify the modality in a text? For example Martin Luther's 'I have a dream'? Taking into consideration your advice I believe that 'I have a dream' by Martin Luther has high modality but I'm not sure what aspects/features have influenced my response? I recall that you talked about expressing a nature? What do you mean by nature? I also wanted to ask for low modality how exactly could it be inviting in a passive way? I'm not sure how to identify low modality in a text?

I apologise for asking so many questions 

Spoiler

Hey there!

In regards to the question 'How does the voice employed by Galarrwuy Yunupingu in ‘Tradition, Truth and Tomorrow’ convey his pride in his Aboriginal Identity and his sense of belonging to his country?", my personal preference of a structure is to still have the traditional 1 intro + 3 body + 1 conclusion. In the first body paragraph, you can focus purely on Aboriginal identity, and the relevant quotes that support his pride in his identity. In the second body paragraph, you can focus purely on his sense of belonging to his country, and the relevant quotes and evidences. In the final body paragraph, you should highlight how his pride in his identity has fostered his sense of belonging, i.e. connecting the two central ideas in the question together in the last paragraph. This will be a good response to the short article "tradition, truth and tomorrow".

[Happy Physics Land]

Oh okay  . I just finished yr 11 yesterday so I'm simply practising writing responses for my weakest subject English.My teacher said voice would be very important next year that's why I'm currently practising these responses that do not have marks allocated to them. I have more questions if that's okay.  For my previous post for the question 'How does the voice employed by Galarrwuy Yunupingu in ‘Tradition, Truth and Tomorrow’ convey his pride in his Aboriginal Identity and his sense of belonging to his country? My teacher commented that how a successful response is structured depends on the question. But I was wondering how would you know what structure to do to answer a particular question?

In regards to embedding a quote would a sentence like this for example be considered as having a quote successfully embedded in it?
In addition, the use of first person narration ‘My name was Salmon’ in past tense further enhances the narrator’s voice by her nonchalant acceptance of being dead.

I've also tried embedding the quote like this:
In addition, the use of first person narration in 'My name was Salmon' in past tense further enhances the narrator’s voice by her nonchalant acceptance of being dead.

What other ways could be used to embed a quote? I also wanted to ask which way do you prefer to embed a quote? Would you get higher marks for embedding quotes in a particular way?( I would like to experiment and practise embedding quotes into sentences  )
I wanted to ask what would be the best way to embed two quotes into a sentence like this?:

The author utilises first person to describe common mundane subjects such as the identity of her ‘favourite teacher Mr Botte’ and her mother liking her murderer’s ‘border flowers’ to enhance the tone of detachment from life in the narrator’s voice.

I also wanted to ask in regards to modality in constructing voice. How would you identify the modality in a text? For example Martin Luther's 'I have a dream'? Taking into consideration your advice I believe that 'I have a dream' by Martin Luther has high modality but I'm not sure what aspects/features have influenced my response? I recall that you talked about expressing a nature? What do you mean by nature? I also wanted to ask for low modality how exactly could it be inviting in a passive way? I'm not sure how to identify low modality in a text?

I apologise for asking so many questions 

Spoiler

Hey there again!

In regards to your question "would a sentence like this for example be considered as having a quote successfully embedded in it?", yes and no. Yes you have successfully embedded a quote by identifying the quote, the technique and a brief explanation. But I think that you could have chosen a better quote, because the quote "my name was salmon" doesn't directly address the question effectively and perhaps does not deliver the strongest "voice" as emphasised by the question. You'd be better off choosing a quote that has a clear tone related to it, and this tone would contribute to the voice of the entire article.

When we say we have effectively embedded a quote, the best way to do it is to use a quote to explain your point. For instance,

Ed is depicted as an “epitome of ordinariness” with “no real career, no respect in the community.”

The two quotes I have embedded here are two separate quotes that I have used to explain my point. So essentially you embed the quote without explicitly telling the marker oh look Im using this quote. After you have successfully embedded your quote you can proceed onto explaining the significance of these quotes.

[elysepopplewell]

Hey there again!

In regards to your question "would a sentence like this for example be considered as having a quote successfully embedded in it?", yes and no. Yes you have successfully embedded a quote by identifying the quote, the technique and a brief explanation. But I think that you could have chosen a better quote, because the quote "my name was salmon" doesn't directly address the question effectively and perhaps does not deliver the strongest "voice" as emphasised by the question. You'd be better off choosing a quote that has a clear tone related to it, and this tone would contribute to the voice of the entire article.

When we say we have effectively embedded a quote, the best way to do it is to use a quote to explain your point. For instance,

Ed is depicted as an “epitome of ordinariness” with “no real career, no respect in the community.”

The two quotes I have embedded here are two separate quotes that I have used to explain my point. So essentially you embed the quote without explicitly telling the marker oh look Im using this quote. After you have successfully embedded your quote you can proceed onto explaining the significance of these quotes.

Jacky, you are spot on the money with your advice. I'm just feeling all sentimental...you were the very first person to post an AOS essay for feedback on the forums, now look at you :')

[elysepopplewell]

Oh okay  . I just finished yr 11 yesterday so I'm simply practising writing responses for my weakest subject English.My teacher said voice would be very important next year that's why I'm currently practising these responses that do not have marks allocated to them. I have more questions if that's okay. 

Good on you! That's so awesome that you're trying to get ahead and work on your weak points, that's the right strategy to take!

I also wanted to ask in regards to modality in constructing voice. How would you identify the modality in a text? For example Martin Luther's 'I have a dream'? Taking into consideration your advice I believe that 'I have a dream' by Martin Luther has high modality but I'm not sure what aspects/features have influenced my response? I recall that you talked about expressing a nature? What do you mean by nature? I also wanted to ask for low modality how exactly could it be inviting in a passive way? I'm not sure how to identify low modality in a text?

I apologise for asking so many questions 

Spoiler

Okay, so low modality. Think of people you know. Some people respond really well to confidence, assertiveness, etc. Whereas other people shy away from this and might perceive confidence as cockiness. So manipulating modality is a way of reaching a specific audience type. Martin Luther King largely uses high modality (this also comes in the delivery of the original speech - loud, deep from the diaphragm, etc). He's asserting his dream, he's not saying "sometimes, I wistfully think about a day when children might be valued for their credits." Instead, he's saying "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character." He's providing answers and solutions - rather than leaving it open ended by identifying the problem of judgement based on colour (as someone in low modality MIGHT do), he identifies the better outcome: the judgement based on the content of their character. The fact that MLK is leaving no question unanswered, shows his high modality.

It doesn't show much in this speech, but another way to be persuasive is through the use of low modality in a passively inviting way. So this is where we appeal to the other type of person. The type of person who will respond to an ethos of compassion, perhaps. The best example I can think of is Humans of New York. We look into the despair of these people, and when they are talking in their most natural, intimate way, it's soft, kind, and raw. And that can be incredibly touching and persuasive to some people. Whereas other people may respond better to assertive confidence. You can compare this kind of notion to the Presidential election. Some people loved Donald Trump because he is assertive, always uses high modality, and it conveys a sense of stability and persuasion. Whereas in Humans of New York, often things are more gentle and intimate, which is inviting in its own way.

Basically, high and low modality have so many different purposes, and both can be inviting and persuasive. You need to identify the intended audience of the work, the content that the person speaks about, and their intention with delivering the content. Those three things should be a good indication of why and how modality is at play.

It's a confusing concept, and I've been a bit jumpy in my explanation I realise...let me know if it's not making sense

[Happy Physics Land]

Jacky, you are spot on the money with your advice. I'm just feeling all sentimental...you were the very first person to post an AOS essay for feedback on the forums, now look at you :')

My tears are flowing down like a river... Thank you Elyse for all your help throughout the year, literally couldnt have got to where I am now without you )

[katnisschung]

how many words in a 5 minutes speech

i have 1013 and i have cut down so much i have 4 points (2 for each text)

and my intro and conclusion aren't that long
struggling to cut....

am i pushing it too far if i have 1000 words?...i should probably cut it but the
transcript it due today

[jamonwindeyer]

how many words in a 5 minutes speech

i have 1013 and i have cut down so much i have 4 points (2 for each text)

and my intro and conclusion aren't that long
struggling to cut....

am i pushing it too far if i have 1000 words?...i should probably cut it but the
transcript it due today

Hey!

1000/5=200 words per minute=3.3 words per second

This is a bit faster than the recommended words per minute I use, which is about 150 (in my experience anyway, I do speak pretty quick when I public speak). If it's due today don't stress! Just work with it as it is, if you speak at a normal pace it shouldn't take too much longer than 5 minutes. Most of us get nervous in front of a crowd, so you'll speak more quickly subconsciously!

[katnisschung]

i will be stopped at 5 minutes 15 secs but its due in an hour and my computer is
running out of battery! 

i think i'll just print it out and i can cut on the weekend because im pretty sure
we're allowed to cut just not add extra material

[jamonwindeyer]

i will be stopped at 5 minutes 15 secs but its due in an hour and my computer is
running out of battery! 

i think i'll just print it out and i can cut on the weekend because im pretty sure
we're allowed to cut just not add extra material

That's my experience with these sort of things, minor modifications are fine, omissions and wording changes, just not major additions be sure to confirm that though!

[anotherworld2b]

Hi I'm back armed with more questions 

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Elyse you mentioned that 'High and low modality are very important in speeches'. Is modality also important in other modes of text? Are there particular modes of text that modality is usually present? Would the effect of high/low modality in these texts have the same effect on the audience? I was also wondering would it be correct to say that the general effect of high modality incites a lot of emotion and power. It motivates the audience to feel encouraged to act in that way.Would there be other effects of high modality on the audience?
I was also wondering what would be the best way to word the effect of low modality? low modality passively incites action from the audience?Would there be other effects of high modality on the audience?

I was also wondering you talked about 'Basically, high and low modality have so many different purposes, and both can be inviting and persuasive. You need to identify the intended audience of the work, the content that the person speaks about, and their intention with delivering the content. Those three things should be a good indication of why and how modality is at play'. I was a bit confused about the two later points ', the content that the person speaks about, and their intention with delivering the content'. Is it basically the content of a text and the purpose of the text? I'm not exactly sure how to why and modality is at play using these two points.

I was also wondering, if it is not too much of hassle,if you could explain how these aspects can construct voice please. I am also not sure what effect each aspect has on the audience.
•Adverbs used to describe the actual delivering of the voice in dialogue
•Sentence type and variation (short, correctly formed? Long, jumbled?)
•First, second, third person narration?
- First person: personal -> engages
- Second Person:
-Third Person: omitted -> broader view
•If in third person, the omniscient narration?
•The way that verbs compliment the dialogue.
•Tone (which you already have)
•Stylistic decisions (embellished language, simple language)
•Colloquialisms
•Informal or formal register
•Do they use nicknames for some people and full names for other people?
•Diction

I apologize for bombarding the forum with so many questions
I am trying to create a table that summarizes a technique used and its effect on the audience. That is why I am exploring and listing possible effects of a each technique on the audience.

[elysepopplewell]

Hi I'm back armed with more questions 
Elyse you mentioned that 'High and low modality are very important in speeches'. Is modality also important in other modes of text? Are there particular modes of text that modality is usually present? Would the effect of high/low modality in these texts have the same effect on the audience? I was also wondering would it be correct to say that the general effect of high modality incites a lot of emotion and power. It motivates the audience to feel encouraged to act in that way.Would there be other effects of high modality on the audience?
I was also wondering what would be the best way to word the effect of low modality? low modality passively incites action from the audience?Would there be other effects of high modality on the audience?

Modality is definitely important in other modes of text - but it is most prevalent in speech/dialogue. So in short stories, novels, or even poems, modality is used as well. About the general effect of high modality - you're absolutely correct! There could be other effects of high modality...it could make someone feel depressed rather than encouraged. I mean, a bully could use high modality to gain power, but they wouldn't be leaving their victim feeling encouraged.  That sounds like great wording about low modality!

I was also wondering you talked about 'Basically, high and low modality have so many different purposes, and both can be inviting and persuasive. You need to identify the intended audience of the work, the content that the person speaks about, and their intention with delivering the content. Those three things should be a good indication of why and how modality is at play'. I was a bit confused about the two later points ', the content that the person speaks about, and their intention with delivering the content'. Is it basically the content of a text and the purpose of the text? I'm not exactly sure how to why and modality is at play using these two points.

Yep, good question. So this is what I mean by the bully example above. If we have a bully delivering a nasty speech on why the wimpy kid is worthless - the audience, being the wimpy kid, and the content, being nasty words, has a depressing effect on the victim. But, if Martin Luther King's audience is oppressed people looking for answers, and his words are about how to find those answers, then the effect of high modality is that the audience will be empowered.

I was also wondering, if it is not too much of hassle,if you could explain how these aspects can construct voice please. I am also not sure what effect each aspect has on the audience.
•Adverbs used to describe the actual delivering of the voice in dialogue

"Never speak like that," she whispered.
"Never speak like that," she hissed.
Here's the verb, in italics. See the difference it makes? Similarly, it works with the adverb.
"Never speak like that," she said sympathetically.
"Never speak like that," she said angrily.
The adverb makes a lot of difference.

•Sentence type and variation (short, correctly formed? Long, jumbled?)

Someone's sentences as being long, jumbled, and confused...could indicate someone being very flustered. Someone using short, correctly formed sentences is in control, calm, and calculated, most likely.

•First, second, third person narration?
- First person: personal -> engages
- Second Person:
-Third Person: omitted -> broader view

Second person is rarely used - it's usually just quite recounting and matter of fact.

•If in third person, the omniscient narration?

The omniscient narrator is the third person narration that has the gift of knowing the thoughts and feelings of all of the characters. So they can say, "Mandy felt sad." They have an extra insight, whilst remaining third person. Third person limited narrator, is the other type of third person, where you are limited to just observing as a person would, without the insight of thoughts.

•Tone (which you already have)

Tone is hard to define - it's basically the overall ambience a person gives, the vibe they give off. A rude tone, an optimistic tone, etc.

•Stylistic decisions (embellished language, simple language)

If the language is plain and simple, that might be a reflection of their character. If they are embellishing everything, they are exaggerating and maybe too excited.

•Colloquialisms

Usually shows comfort with the person they are speaking with, or can be used as a way "in" to someone - showing that you're friendly and casual.

•Informal or formal register

Is the person speaking informally with colloquialisms like they're talking to Joe at the pub, or are they speaking formally like they are talking to the President.

•Do they use nicknames for some people and full names for other people?

Nicknames are usually used for people your friendly with. You don't call your Principal by his or her first name right?

•Diction

This comes with the delivery of the sentences - what are they emphasising? Is the refrain repeated with a deeper voice each time? Are the last words yelled to call to action? It's about the delivery

I apologize for bombarding the forum with so many questions
I am trying to create a table that summarizes a technique used and its effect on the audience. That is why I am exploring and listing possible effects of a each technique on the audience.

That sounds like a super good resource to make! When it's all done, I'd love to see it! Hopefully this helps!

[anotherworld2b]

Hi I'm back 
I've attempted to put a table together for voice and was wondering if someone could have a look at it please.
I was also wondering if I could get help filling out spaces left blank (I wasn't sure what to write)
I was also wondering what aspects shape/influence perspective? I would like to make a table for perspective as well and require help to do so.

[elysepopplewell]

Hi I'm back 
I've attempted to put a table together for voice and was wondering if someone could have a look at it please.
I was also wondering if I could get help filling out spaces left blank (I wasn't sure what to write)
I was also wondering what aspects shape/influence perspective? I would like to make a table for perspective as well and require help to do so.

This looks awesome!

Third person is blank. Have a look here about the third person omniscient narrator. This link here explains a little more about the limited third person narrator. Basically, the limited third person narrator sees things as a fly on the wall would. An omniscient third person narrator sees things as a god-like figure would, by being able to read into minds and emotions.

Your examples of colloquialisms are actually idioms - which are a way of expressing something in a colloquial manner. It might be worth identifying that in your notes!

The effect of nicknames/full names is that it explains the relationship between two characters in a really natural way. Without being told that two people are dating, we would know because one calls the other "babe," for example.

Consonance and assonance can draw attention to a particular area of a sentence, this relates to phonology.

Onomatopoeia allows the author to bring some kind of sound into play that doesn't necessarily have a description suitable without emulating the sound in a word.

Listing might be used to prove a point. So, I might make a speech about the reasons we should vote for Kanye, and then at the end, I'm going to list all of those things again to sum it all up and bring it all together - it can be a persuasive approach. Sometimes people do it out of exhaustion, like a parent might say "I cook, I clean, I shop, I work, I clean up after you and your friends - and what do you do for me?" This kind of listing builds up an accumulation of evidence.

Antithetical pairings are used to draw contrast - to either identify ironic similarities or to express differences.

Synonyms will be used to make the language diverse, rather than repetitive.

I could talk all day about irony, so here's a link (this is my favourite language device site) that shows all kinds of irony and it's purpose.

Metaphors also have lots of purposes. The relation of one thing to another may make a concept easier to understand, or extended metaphors may be a way of prompting a reader to think back to earlier ideas, thus forcing them to make connections.

Hopefully this gives you a hand! Great resource, it's looking really good! I like the way you've organised it into syntax, phonetics, etc.

[jamonwindeyer]

Hi I'm back 
I've attempted to put a table together for voice and was wondering if someone could have a look at it please.
I was also wondering if I could get help filling out spaces left blank (I wasn't sure what to write)
I was also wondering what aspects shape/influence perspective? I would like to make a table for perspective as well and require help to do so.

Looks like the starts of an awesome resource! After you've added Elyse's ideas and worked on it for your assessment task, we'd love for you to upload it to our Notes section! I bet a lot of people would find it really useful