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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1800 on: May 08, 2017, 08:28:11 pm »
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Hi! Is it ok for me to post an intro for Module C here? :)

Maybe pop it in the essay marking thread, but go for it! You don't need to meet a post count criteria or anything like that ;D

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1801 on: May 08, 2017, 10:59:01 pm »
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Hello - needing some help on a task for Module B: Jane Eyre please!...
The task is to present a speech based on 'how the qualities of a text determine its reception in different contexts'. It seems like what you would generally expect for a Mod C essay question (in terms of the actual content of the response/things to cover), but obviously speech techniques etc are being marked as well! Can someone give me some advice on how to I could structure this so as to make it interesting/catchy enough to be classed as a speech, but still covering it as thoroughly as an essay? Sorry - not sure if this makes sense... just that a task that requires you to present a speech would normally have a much more catchy topic than this, where you would actually be trying to prove something/ inspire listeners/ encourage listeners to take action about something etc. Our question makes this quite hard and I am especially struggling with writing an introduction/(thesis?) that sounds 'speechy'!!
Hope this makes some kind of sense - would really appreciate some help and ideas...
Thanks!  ;)

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1802 on: May 08, 2017, 11:25:17 pm »
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Do you guys have any input on the 'show, dont tell' thing for creative? I have a brief idea of what it means, but I need someone to expand on some tips in terms of how this can be executed in writing. I can't even tell if I'm showing or telling honestly, ah. I always get critiqued on it by teachers, but I've never really understood how to go about this.
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1803 on: May 09, 2017, 01:48:14 pm »
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Hi there,
For my Mod C essay, we have been given 2 questions, but will only have to answer one of them in the exam (we won't know which one).
I am preparing to write two different thesis statements, relevant to each question.
The first question is: "The deliberate construction of texts reveals perspectives about the complex relationship between the powerful and the powerless."
To which my thesis statement is: "At the heart of the complex relationship between those with and without power is a tension between the imperative values of individualism and personal freedom and the collectivist will of society."

The second question is: "The deliberate construction of texts reveals perspectives about how the powerful are ultimately dependent on those they lead."
I am having trouble forming a thesis around this question that combines individuality, personal freedom and the collective will of society.
Any ideas would be great!! Thanks.

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1804 on: May 09, 2017, 07:43:01 pm »
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Do you guys have any input on the 'show, dont tell' thing for creative? I have a brief idea of what it means, but I need someone to expand on some tips in terms of how this can be executed in writing. I can't even tell if I'm showing or telling honestly, ah. I always get critiqued on it by teachers, but I've never really understood how to go about this.

Hey there! You're surely not the first person to be stuck on this. I've written a guide for creative writing here and this is what I've said about showing and not telling:

The best writers don’t give every little detail wrapped up and packaged, ready to go. As a writer, you need to have respect for your reader in that you believe in their ability to read between the lines at points, or their ability to read a description and visualise it appropriately.

“I was 14 at the time. I was young, vulnerable and naïve. At 14 you have such little life experience, so I didn’t know how to react.”

This is boring because the reader is being fed every detail that they could have synthesised from being told the age alone. To add to the point of the age, you could add an adjective that gives connotations to everything that was written in the sentence, such as “tender age of 14.” That’s a discretionary thing, because it’s not necessary. When you don’t have to use extra words: probably don’t. When you give less information, you intrigue the reader. There is a fine line between withholding too much and giving the reader the appropriate rope for them to pull. The best way to work out if you’re sitting comfortably on the line is to send your creative writing to someone, and have them tell you if there was a gap in the information. How many facts can you convey without telling the reader directly? Your markers are smart people, they can do the work on their end, you just have to feed them the essentials.

Here are some examples of the difference between showing and telling.

Telling: The beach was windy and the weather was hot.
Showing: Hot sand bit my ankles as I stood on the shore.

Telling: His uniform was bleakly coloured with a grey lapel. He stood at attention, without any trace of a smile.
Showing: The discipline of his emotions was reflected in his prim uniform.

I will add: every sentence you write doesn't need to be shown instead of told. It's variation that keeps a reader involved in the work. You don't want to be showing so much that you're leaving ambiguous gaping holes in the work, but you want to show enough that you show the marker you respect their ability to follow your work in a creative manner :)
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1805 on: May 09, 2017, 07:54:02 pm »
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Hello - needing some help on a task for Module B: Jane Eyre please!...
The task is to present a speech based on 'how the qualities of a text determine its reception in different contexts'. It seems like what you would generally expect for a Mod C essay question (in terms of the actual content of the response/things to cover), but obviously speech techniques etc are being marked as well! Can someone give me some advice on how to I could structure this so as to make it interesting/catchy enough to be classed as a speech, but still covering it as thoroughly as an essay? Sorry - not sure if this makes sense... just that a task that requires you to present a speech would normally have a much more catchy topic than this, where you would actually be trying to prove something/ inspire listeners/ encourage listeners to take action about something etc. Our question makes this quite hard and I am especially struggling with writing an introduction/(thesis?) that sounds 'speechy'!!
Hope this makes some kind of sense - would really appreciate some help and ideas...
Thanks!  ;)


Hey! I totally know what you mean by this - don't worry :) It's easy to make a speech interesting when you're debating something passionate, but when it comes to talking about something that we are so used to discussing on paper in an essay? Ehh...

I truly believe that the way you deliver the speech is incredibly important. I had a similar task for Ext 1, where the question was essentially what we would be asked in an essay! So, I wrote out all my points like I would for an essay, but focused on writing it as though I was explaining the techniques and the arguments and what not, to my friend! I would write things like:
"The FDA thought it was appropriate to release "Duck and Cover" within High Schools of America - because apparently ducking under your desk will save you from a Soviet bomb. But really, this is far more of an appeasement technique than an actual safety technique, as the footage shows an unrealistic explanation of what would actually happen if a bomb hit the school. The children are not at all crying and the footage shows a fun learning environment, both undermining the severity of the bomb's impact but also appeasing the minds of children."
Perhaps it's difficult for you to imagine this in my voice, but this is exactly how I would describe this to a friend. So I kept the analysis as I would for an essay, but wrapped it up in language that was a bit more colloquial without being casual. This is my speech preference though - I like to be conversational in speeches because it's how I'm most comfortable. If you want to maintain the formality of your speech, then write it similarly to how you would an essay, but then practice different ways of using your voice to project an interesting tone. Make emphasis on the "On the other hand" and "therefore" to show you are engaging with different perspectives. Voice does a lot for your projection of ideas! It can really change the way you convey information. I sometimes ask rhetorical questions too, like: "When we read the text, we are reminded constantly of the water motif. When you get to the concluding line, aren't you reminded of the opening scene immediately?" Annnd, I also use the inclusive first person, "we" to engage my audience. Again, this works because I take on a more colloquial voice in my speeches.

Hopefully this gives you a hand! :)
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1806 on: May 09, 2017, 07:54:58 pm »
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Hi there I'm studying ts Eliot for mod B and i'm having trouble understanding how this line is a heroic couplet
"in the room the women come and go
talking of Michelangelo"

apparently heroic couplets are in iambic pentameter and i'm pretty sure this line has more than
5 Dadums...
get me out of here

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1807 on: May 09, 2017, 09:50:40 pm »
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Hey! I totally know what you mean by this - don't worry :) It's easy to make a speech interesting when you're debating something passionate, but when it comes to talking about something that we are so used to discussing on paper in an essay? Ehh...
hey! thanks for that - yes does help. Do you think at some point I could maybe post just some of the speech (the intro etc.) for you to give me some feedback on if it sounds kinda the right voice etc.??
thanks for your help ;)

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1808 on: May 09, 2017, 10:36:12 pm »
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Hi there,
For my Mod C essay, we have been given 2 questions, but will only have to answer one of them in the exam (we won't know which one).
I am preparing to write two different thesis statements, relevant to each question.
The first question is: "The deliberate construction of texts reveals perspectives about the complex relationship between the powerful and the powerless."
To which my thesis statement is: "At the heart of the complex relationship between those with and without power is a tension between the imperative values of individualism and personal freedom and the collectivist will of society."

The second question is: "The deliberate construction of texts reveals perspectives about how the powerful are ultimately dependent on those they lead."
I am having trouble forming a thesis around this question that combines individuality, personal freedom and the collective will of society.
Any ideas would be great!! Thanks.

Hey Jenna! Love your first Thesis, really great stuff ;D

Hmm, what is the idea you are trying to express? Is there a particular reason you want to include these themes? Is it to suit prepare material? :)

You could perhaps explore the balance between individualism and conformity, personal freedoms and the collective good. So, to maintain their position, powerful individuals must create a balance between individual freedoms, while still controlling society as a whole?

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1809 on: May 09, 2017, 10:46:05 pm »
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Hi there I'm studying ts Eliot for mod B and i'm having trouble understanding how this line is a heroic couplet
"in the room the women come and go
talking of Michelangelo"

apparently heroic couplets are in iambic pentameter and i'm pretty sure this line has more than
5 Dadums...

Hey! I'm no expert, but I'm fairly sure iambic pentameter can be spun a little, this still works.

The first line is still "Da-Dums", but there is a missing "Da" at the start

(da) IN the ROOM the WOmen COME and GO

And the second line is four sets of da-dums instead of five:

talKING of MIChelANgelO

I'm sure there is more specific/correct ways to look at this in terms of inversions and iambs and stuff, but I think this passes as a heroic couplet ;D

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1810 on: May 09, 2017, 11:05:10 pm »
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hey! thanks for that - yes does help. Do you think at some point I could maybe post just some of the speech (the intro etc.) for you to give me some feedback on if it sounds kinda the right voice etc.??
thanks for your help ;)

Absolutely! Not a problem at all :)

Hi there,
For my Mod C essay, we have been given 2 questions, but will only have to answer one of them in the exam (we won't know which one).
I am preparing to write two different thesis statements, relevant to each question.
The first question is: "The deliberate construction of texts reveals perspectives about the complex relationship between the powerful and the powerless."
To which my thesis statement is: "At the heart of the complex relationship between those with and without power is a tension between the imperative values of individualism and personal freedom and the collectivist will of society."

The second question is: "The deliberate construction of texts reveals perspectives about how the powerful are ultimately dependent on those they lead."
I am having trouble forming a thesis around this question that combines individuality, personal freedom and the collective will of society.
Any ideas would be great!! Thanks.

As for your first thesis, I absolutely love it. You've privileged the relationship to be at the beginning of the question which is super clever, love that! As for your second thesis, I think you could still use the first half of your other thesis, but change the ending. "At the heart of the complex experience of power, is the tension between the reality that is the reciprocal relationship between the powerful and the powerless, but also the ideal that one is exclusively independent of the other."

Something like this uses the words from your first thesis, but engages with the ideas of the second question. If you follow this vein and churn it into your own words (and also for what applies to your text) you have yourself a good deal!
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1811 on: May 09, 2017, 11:27:38 pm »
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Hi, do you think using blade runner for BNW is a good idea even though it was previously a prescribed text for mod a?

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1812 on: May 09, 2017, 11:46:35 pm »
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Hi, do you think using blade runner for BNW is a good idea even though it was previously a prescribed text for mod a?

Hey! Not just a good idea, but a great one ;D HEAPS of resources around for it, and it's a fantastic text to analyse. I think it's a fantastic idea :)

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1813 on: May 10, 2017, 10:47:29 pm »
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I was wondering if there was a formula to approach a comparative essay.
Our latest assessment requires us to write a comparative essay using two texts centered around the holocaust.

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #1814 on: May 10, 2017, 10:56:53 pm »
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I was wondering if there was a formula to approach a comparative essay.
Our latest assessment requires us to write a comparative essay using two texts centered around the holocaust.

We've a few resources of comparative essays for the HSC - Here is an exemplar I wrote a few years back, and here is a guide to writing them. HSC ones might be a little different than WACE though :)