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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #345 on: July 23, 2016, 09:59:17 pm »
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Hey,

Thanks so much for these forums! They are so helpful :)

For english essays, is it better to have more points (e.g..5) with less quotes/techniques/analysis for each point or is it better to have less points (e.g. 2-3) but more analysis? I have been told different things by different people and I am a bit confused now.

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #346 on: July 23, 2016, 10:03:29 pm »
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Hey,

Thanks so much for these forums! They are so helpful :)

For english essays, is it better to have more points (e.g..5) with less quotes/techniques/analysis for each point or is it better to have less points (e.g. 2-3) but more analysis? I have been told different things by different people and I am a bit confused now.
I'd say that less is more in this case, definitely more analysis with less points
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #347 on: July 24, 2016, 12:10:35 am »
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Hi! I have a bunch of questions for the three module, it would be great if someone could help me :)

Module A: to what extent do we have to compare the two texts? like do we have to integrate through whole discussion? and also can we discuss the two texts in two paragraphs, I feel combining would make it too lengthy

Module B: what to include in the introduction? I am doing Hamlet, do I have to mention the Elizabethan Context? my intro currently is way too short I think

Module C: same thing, how do we weave representation into our discussion?

Thanks heaps to whoever answers :)))

Hey there! So:

Your Module A question, there should be a large amount of comparison, it is the focus of that module!! How you achieve this is up to you: You can definitely discuss each text in its own paragraph (called a block response), but you must then make the links to the other text obvious throughout. You can also discuss both texts together in three paragraphs based on conceptual themes, called an integrated response. This was my preferred approach, it makes the links easier, but it definitely isn't for everyone  ;D either way, a large amount of comparison between texts and contexts is necessary!  ;D

Module B I answered on another thread for you!  ;D and yes, I'd mention the Elizabethan context here  8)

Module C introductions will be a very similar thing, with a stronger focus on representation to suit the module. Remember, that module is about how texts act as representations of the composers ideas, and how these representations are crafted through technique. Thus, your response should frequently link techniques to how they create meaning for the audience  ;D

We have a heap of exemplar essays available for download on our FREE Notes section, they might help you see some of the things I've mentioned in practice!!  ;D

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #348 on: July 24, 2016, 12:13:32 am »
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Hey,

Thanks so much for these forums! They are so helpful :)

For english essays, is it better to have more points (e.g..5) with less quotes/techniques/analysis for each point or is it better to have less points (e.g. 2-3) but more analysis? I have been told different things by different people and I am a bit confused now.

Hey, welcome to the forums!! Let me know if you need any help finding things, definitely stop by our New User's Lounge if you haven't already  ;D

Obviously the ideal is lots of points all with great analysis!!  ;) but of course, if we have to make the choice, quality over quantity. Three quotes with techniques, well explained and linked effectively to the responder, is worth more to you than 5 bits of retell. It is definitely about balance, but quality over quantity  ;D

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #349 on: July 24, 2016, 01:38:10 am »
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Hey Jamon,

 I've updated my oral, which I took all your feedback on board. Would you be able to have a look at it again?

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In Gwen Harwood’s Ad Orientem, the text is clearly centered around exploring the themes of pain and loss in a human’s life. Harwood uses these themes to send messages to the audience, allowing them to reflect over their own life and make changes.

Initially, the audience is introduced to the painful experience of a female patient of a hospital, who seems to be struggling to cope with the situation which they have been placed into. The opening description of pain explains to the audience that pain is constantly with her, so much so that it knows her like a lover, preventing the woman from being able to live life as she would normally. The intemperate nature of pain enables to audience to understand the fact that although the pain is always with her, at some points the pain subdues which tends to show that the woman cherishes these moments where she is not affected tremendously by the pain. The use of the metaphor of death through the darkness and fear shows that death was coming for the woman, and there was no escaping the fact that eventually, her time would come. This opening stanza not only allows Harwood to introduce the audience to the situation which the patient faces, but it allows her to also discuss the impact of pain on the human psyche, it affects us in a way which no other situation would. 

To open the second stanza, Harwood uses hypotaxis to continue the woebegone situation of the patient, who seems to be diminishing as the text progresses. This technique explains to the audience that the situation of which she is facing has been prolonged and extensive, this allows the audience to become sympathetic towards the patient as we begin to recognise that the pain is unbearable. The first two lines of the second stanza implement personalisation, as death (which is portrayed as darkness and fear in the first stanza) seems to surround her life, overgrowing all that was good in her life. This also relates with the audience due to the fact that we regularly associate darkness and death, giving death these human characteristics presents death in such a way that we humans think as death as the malevolent entity in our lives.  As the stanza progresses, it is seem that the female patient seems to reflect heavily on her life, especially loved ones. The ruminative nature of this section shows further that the despair in the womans life is heavily evident which provides the audience with yet another reason as to why the sympathy that they are feeling at this stage of the text is reasonable. The unwanted actions described through sexual terminology provides the audience with the perception that pain is now raping her, the relationship has developed from pain being a lover into a rapist. The use of the sexual references begins to indulge the audience into the woman’s world, the fact that she is encountering this unwanted rape is easily seen by the audience because of this, reinforcing the fact that the pain is horrid and unbearable. To end the stanza, it is shown that the woman has been dragged down to the depths of despair, hopelessness and depression, all the good in her life is slowly being removed by pain.
 
Harwood now implements the idea of morning coming to show the audience that hope is still evident in the woman’s life, no matter what challenging scenarios she has faced. The fact that the sister has beside the woman’s bed for the entire evening period shows that something is terribly wrong with the woman, the sister would not normally stay with the patient for the night. This explains that the patients fears are evident and are truthful. The audience now begins to see that the woman is overjoyed to be able to see the morning light, showing that the patient, although she still has hope, she has already begun to recognise that the end is close. This line is where the title of the text is implemented, it is known that the sun rises in the East. The title of the text, “Ad Orientem” translates to “To The East”. This use of the sun rising and the title of the text further exaggerates the fact that the patient is constantly waiting for tomorrow morning, hoping that she will be able to see the dawn light again. Harwood uses imagery to remind the audience of the dire situation which the patient faces, reinforcing the fact that she is in a hospital, and that she is in a horrid state, but yet she is able to still find hope in such a calamitous circumstance. This also allows the audience to recognise that no matter how dire their situation may be, there is always the ability to have hope, whether this be through religion or through other means.

The final stanza, this stanza reinforces the fact that the patient did not expect to see the dawn and morning light, she hopes for a new day with new experiences, which is shown through the symbolism of the untasted wine, emphasizing her strong mental attitude. As she drank the ‘untasted wine’, the hope which was once evident inside of her announces itself once more, giving the patient confidence in herself and her situation, although it seems unlikely for a recovery. The use of the symbolism throughout this paragraph allows the audience to visualise the fact that although this woman is struggling and in a bitter situation, she is able to rejoice over something that is sweet. At the lowest depths of the situation, she forgets about everyone else, but with hope, she is elevated, and is able to bless and rejoice over other people. This is a direct message from Harwood, telling the audience that you should not become self-indulged and disregard other people, this is due to the fact that we do not know when we shall pass away, and when we do, we star to recognise that our actions may have diminished relationships with others.

Overall, it is clearly seen through the two main themes of pain and loss and multiple literary techniques that Harwood is able to send messages to the audience, explaining to them that life will end one day, how do you want to spend your final days? Reminiscing over the times which you cherished or struggling to deal with the way that you will be remembered by your loved ones?

Thankyou again!
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #350 on: July 24, 2016, 03:39:25 am »
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Actually there are a few past trial papers for 2015 (discovery) that I think would be more beneficial to you. You can access them here http://www.acehsc.net/english-advanced-trial-papers/


Do you think it's a good idea to practice past AOS short answer responses (i.e. belonging, journeys) to prepare for discovery short answer responses?

The thing is, I don't think there are many discovery short answer response practice papers out there but there are past AOS papers to practice

Also if we need feedback on our AOS papers, where can I post it? In this thread?

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #351 on: July 24, 2016, 09:37:21 am »
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Thanks for clarifying :)

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #352 on: July 24, 2016, 03:42:22 pm »
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Hi guys!
I'm still struggling to write my speech for Mod C, and I was wondering: how does one structure a speech? I know there are many ways to do it but I'm not sure how to approach it... Some suggestions or advice on structure would be great!
Also here's the question if that helps: Your purpose is to convince the audience that Clay allows HSC students to “explore and evaluate representations of people and landscapes” and can easily be supplemented with another text of the student’s choosing.
Holy moly is the question broad.
Any help is appreciated!

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #353 on: July 24, 2016, 08:55:19 pm »
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Hi guys!
I'm still struggling to write my speech for Mod C, and I was wondering: how does one structure a speech? I know there are many ways to do it but I'm not sure how to approach it... Some suggestions or advice on structure would be great!
Also here's the question if that helps: Your purpose is to convince the audience that Clay allows HSC students to “explore and evaluate representations of people and landscapes” and can easily be supplemented with another text of the student’s choosing.
Holy moly is the question broad.
Any help is appreciated!

Hey hey! Definitely a very broad question here!

To be honest, I think the best way to structure a speech is to follow it roughly like an essay. Have an introduction where you introduce the idea of people and landscapes, and the relationship between them, and talk about your texts. Then, have distinct sections where you talk about different themes (you can choose these pretty much freely because the question is broad), then conclude. Just like an essay  :D

The beauty of a speech is you can then blur that a little. Have more creative blends between sections. Be a little more lenient with structure, add more to one section and less to others. But the core of it should be very similar to an essay at heart, so whatever you do for an essay, start with that! But you can play with it a little, in structure and (especially) language  ;D

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #354 on: July 24, 2016, 10:31:30 pm »
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Hi guys!
I'm still struggling to write my speech for Mod C, and I was wondering: how does one structure a speech? I know there are many ways to do it but I'm not sure how to approach it... Some suggestions or advice on structure would be great!
Also here's the question if that helps: Your purpose is to convince the audience that Clay allows HSC students to “explore and evaluate representations of people and landscapes” and can easily be supplemented with another text of the student’s choosing.
Holy moly is the question broad.
Any help is appreciated!

I follow Jamon's comment completely! I was more about that essay structure, and then worked some creative manipulation in there so it didn't sound like a text book.

One thing I will add, is easier for extroverts than introverts. Your delivery is everything. So often your marking criteria will actually involve the engagement with the audience, or consideration for audience, or actual delivery technique. I definitely recommend making a conscious effort to include rhetorical questions, sarcasm, and move your voice up and down in tone when appropriate. Make eye contact, use your arms, and basically, if you don't have confidence, then fake it! Fake it until you make it :) Once you get over the hump, the delivery makes all the difference!
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #355 on: July 24, 2016, 11:08:12 pm »
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Hi guys,

I just remembered that we are supposed to prepare a second related text for Module C  :o
Did you have another related text prepared or did you risk it and hope for the best?

For the AOS essay, I am preparing to use one of the unseen reading texts if they ask for a second related text (Thanks Elyse for the amazing advice at the lectures!)

Thanks heaps :)

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #356 on: July 24, 2016, 11:10:04 pm »
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Hi guys,

I just remembered that we are supposed to prepare a second related text for Module C  :o
Did you have another related text prepared or did you risk it and hope for the best?

For the AOS essay, I am preparing to use one of the unseen reading texts if they ask for a second related text (Thanks Elyse for the amazing advice at the lectures!)

Thanks heaps :)

Open and honest: I took the risk. I was prepared to make my AoS ORT work for me if it was necessary  ;D if your AoS ORT is at all suitable then I'd just roll with that!!  ;D

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #357 on: July 25, 2016, 11:01:53 am »
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Hey Jamon,

 I've updated my oral, which I took all your feedback on board. Would you be able to have a look at it again?

Spoiler
In Gwen Harwood’s Ad Orientem, the text is clearly centered around exploring the themes of pain and loss in a human’s life. Harwood uses these themes to send messages to the audience, allowing them to reflect over their own life and make changes.

Initially, the audience is introduced to the painful experience of a female patient of a hospital, who seems to be struggling to cope with the situation which they have been placed into. The opening description of pain explains to the audience that pain is constantly with her, so much so that it knows her like a lover, preventing the woman from being able to live life as she would normally. The intemperate nature of pain enables to audience to understand the fact that although the pain is always with her, at some points the pain subdues which tends to show that the woman cherishes these moments where she is not affected tremendously by the pain. The use of the metaphor of death through the darkness and fear shows that death was coming for the woman, and there was no escaping the fact that eventually, her time would come. This opening stanza not only allows Harwood to introduce the audience to the situation which the patient faces, but it allows her to also discuss the impact of pain on the human psyche, it affects us in a way which no other situation would. 

To open the second stanza, Harwood uses hypotaxis to continue the woebegone situation of the patient, who seems to be diminishing as the text progresses. This technique explains to the audience that the situation of which she is facing has been prolonged and extensive, this allows the audience to become sympathetic towards the patient as we begin to recognise that the pain is unbearable. The first two lines of the second stanza implement personalisation, as death (which is portrayed as darkness and fear in the first stanza) seems to surround her life, overgrowing all that was good in her life. This also relates with the audience due to the fact that we regularly associate darkness and death, giving death these human characteristics presents death in such a way that we humans think as death as the malevolent entity in our lives.  As the stanza progresses, it is seem that the female patient seems to reflect heavily on her life, especially loved ones. The ruminative nature of this section shows further that the despair in the womans life is heavily evident which provides the audience with yet another reason as to why the sympathy that they are feeling at this stage of the text is reasonable. The unwanted actions described through sexual terminology provides the audience with the perception that pain is now raping her, the relationship has developed from pain being a lover into a rapist. The use of the sexual references begins to indulge the audience into the woman’s world, the fact that she is encountering this unwanted rape is easily seen by the audience because of this, reinforcing the fact that the pain is horrid and unbearable. To end the stanza, it is shown that the woman has been dragged down to the depths of despair, hopelessness and depression, all the good in her life is slowly being removed by pain.
 
Harwood now implements the idea of morning coming to show the audience that hope is still evident in the woman’s life, no matter what challenging scenarios she has faced. The fact that the sister has beside the woman’s bed for the entire evening period shows that something is terribly wrong with the woman, the sister would not normally stay with the patient for the night. This explains that the patients fears are evident and are truthful. The audience now begins to see that the woman is overjoyed to be able to see the morning light, showing that the patient, although she still has hope, she has already begun to recognise that the end is close. This line is where the title of the text is implemented, it is known that the sun rises in the East. The title of the text, “Ad Orientem” translates to “To The East”. This use of the sun rising and the title of the text further exaggerates the fact that the patient is constantly waiting for tomorrow morning, hoping that she will be able to see the dawn light again. Harwood uses imagery to remind the audience of the dire situation which the patient faces, reinforcing the fact that she is in a hospital, and that she is in a horrid state, but yet she is able to still find hope in such a calamitous circumstance. This also allows the audience to recognise that no matter how dire their situation may be, there is always the ability to have hope, whether this be through religion or through other means.

The final stanza, this stanza reinforces the fact that the patient did not expect to see the dawn and morning light, she hopes for a new day with new experiences, which is shown through the symbolism of the untasted wine, emphasizing her strong mental attitude. As she drank the ‘untasted wine’, the hope which was once evident inside of her announces itself once more, giving the patient confidence in herself and her situation, although it seems unlikely for a recovery. The use of the symbolism throughout this paragraph allows the audience to visualise the fact that although this woman is struggling and in a bitter situation, she is able to rejoice over something that is sweet. At the lowest depths of the situation, she forgets about everyone else, but with hope, she is elevated, and is able to bless and rejoice over other people. This is a direct message from Harwood, telling the audience that you should not become self-indulged and disregard other people, this is due to the fact that we do not know when we shall pass away, and when we do, we star to recognise that our actions may have diminished relationships with others.

Overall, it is clearly seen through the two main themes of pain and loss and multiple literary techniques that Harwood is able to send messages to the audience, explaining to them that life will end one day, how do you want to spend your final days? Reminiscing over the times which you cherished or struggling to deal with the way that you will be remembered by your loved ones?

Thankyou again!

Crap, sorry Jake I completely missed this, only just saw it now!! I hope that it went well for you today, your edits look fantastic, I'd have minor comments but you've made some fantastic edits, works really really well  ;D so sorry again let us know how it goes!

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #358 on: July 25, 2016, 02:05:05 pm »
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How do i structure a module c essay? Is it core-related-core-related or core-core-related , thanks 

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« Reply #359 on: July 25, 2016, 03:07:19 pm »
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How do i structure a module c essay? Is it core-related-core-related or core-core-related , thanks

Hey! If you are doing a block response, I would personally do two paragraphs on each, Core/Related/Core/Related  ;D this ensures you have a perfect balance between the two! You can also consider doing an integrated response where you talk about both texts in every paragraph if it suits you, but this does tend to be a little tougher  ;D