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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2010, 04:57:42 pm »
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While we are on the topic of Pharmacy, anyone who's doing it/know's a bit about it
Is it interesting?
What is the salary like (I've heard it's good but is that only when you open up your own pharmacy)
I've heard people say that it's quite boring for a job, all you do is sit in a room and mix up drugs, without applying most of what you've learnt. Is this true?

Also, I'm not really sure about how SEAS works, but I come from an underrepresented school, does it and if so how much does it lower my ATAR/UMAT requirements?
I imagine it wouldn't be much, I've never really looked into it.
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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2010, 05:28:19 pm »
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matt says 95-97 , and mystikal 88+

I believe its 93+ get you into monash infact.

No i meant 88+ given that the person has a high UMAT(88 is like the lowest xtreme balanced with the UMAT of the highest extreme) balanaced with it or other factors such as SEAS and reranking prereqs

And i do agree with you 93+, but i have stated between 92-97 is for normal pharmacy degree given that the UMAT score is pretty average (if the 3 add up to 160+ as it was stated for last years some of my friends had 96 enters and only 48 over percentiles for UMAT)

Are you sure those were percentiles and not overall scores? The overall score for the three adding up to 160 is 53, and that's probably around 70-80 percentile (correct me if I'm wrong, cbf checking the graph). 48 percentile doesn't sound right. Pretty sure they won't let you in with a UMAT that low unless you've got SEAS or something.

Hrmm u are right it could be SEAS im not sure. . .

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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2010, 05:32:24 pm »
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Alrite here is the jist of it...

For La Trobe: Do prereqs subjects (eng 30, Atleast 25 in chemistry and mathematical methods (either))
                    ATAR of 86+ can get in
                    ATAR of 90+ no interview required
                    Interview for lower ATAR
                    No UMAT

Monash: Do prereqs (chem,methods,eng (30)im pretty sure methods is a prereq)
             Ill quote from the VTAC "at least 30 in chemistry and mathematical methods (either)" (2010 VTAC guide) But im not sure the either means it has to be either methods OR chem have to be 30 or that it mean methods CAS or normal methods.
             ATAR of 88+ (given that it is balanced with UMAT score)
             For just pharmacy normally if the UMAT isnt that great (its around 92-97)
             Other factors apply like SEAS can get you in with a lower ATAR (reranking of       prereqs also applies)
             For Pharmacy/Commerce ATAR 97+ to get in when UMAT is not great
             SEAS also applies

Hope that helps
Atar is the same as enter right? Are you sure you can get in to these courses with an enter of below 95....


Every year it changes, and also it depends how well you do on the UMAT which compensates for your ATAR score to an extent if u do really well. But i think if u have a UMAT of 50-60 overall percentile and Enter of 95-97 u are fairly safe. Those who got 95ish and under had high UMAT scores some of them i know of. But yea still a chance with 95 and under might not be a great chance but your UMAT as well is taken to account, SEAS and prereq studies and middle band which increases your chances. I am not guranteeing anything.
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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2010, 06:37:23 pm »
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Alrite here is the jist of it...

For La Trobe: Do prereqs subjects (eng 30, Atleast 25 in chemistry and mathematical methods (either))
                    ATAR of 86+ can get in
                    ATAR of 90+ no interview required
                    Interview for lower ATAR
                    No UMAT

Monash: Do prereqs (chem,methods,eng (30)im pretty sure methods is a prereq)
             Ill quote from the VTAC "at least 30 in chemistry and mathematical methods (either)" (2010 VTAC guide) But im not sure the either means it has to be either methods OR chem have to be 30 or that it mean methods CAS or normal methods.
             ATAR of 88+ (given that it is balanced with UMAT score)
             For just pharmacy normally if the UMAT isnt that great (its around 92-97)
             Other factors apply like SEAS can get you in with a lower ATAR (reranking of       prereqs also applies)
             For Pharmacy/Commerce ATAR 97+ to get in when UMAT is not great
             SEAS also applies

Hope that helps
Atar is the same as enter right? Are you sure you can get in to these courses with an enter of below 95....


Every year it changes, and also it depends how well you do on the UMAT which compensates for your ATAR score to an extent if u do really well. But i think if u have a UMAT of 50-60 overall percentile and Enter of 95-97 u are fairly safe. Those who got 95ish and under had high UMAT scores some of them i know of. But yea still a chance with 95 and under might not be a great chance but your UMAT as well is taken to account, SEAS and prereq studies and middle band which increases your chances. I am not guranteeing anything.
UMmmmm what's SEAS? I only recently joined this forum and I don't know anything , can you please explain to me what it is :)
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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2010, 07:29:18 pm »
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SEAS basically gives students who are disadvantaged in some way which has effected there studies to have a better chance of getting into a course with lower requirements. more information is at the links below

http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,2677.0.html
http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,12861.0.html


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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2010, 09:21:52 pm »
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Is it interesting?
Depends on the individual. The course is interesting if you like a mix of science and healthcare. As with most courses it's your own perspective of it.

What is the salary like (I've heard it's good but is that only when you open up your own pharmacy)
Depends on the individual. Salary for what kind of pharmacist and at which level of experience varies so much that it's hard to give any fixed number.

Before you're a registered pharmacist with the pharmacy board, you have to go through a preregistration year. This usually occurs when you've graduated with the BPharm. You get paid for prereg. You'll be working full time, learning and trying to pass your registration exams. You can complete prereg at a community or hospital pharmacy, and you could also do an industrial hybrid with hospitals (i.e. Royal Children's has a program with CSL and the Alfred has one with Glaxo Smith-Kline (GSK)). They all have different "programs" of teaching and lol a common pharmacy student perception is that everyone hates Chemist Warehouse. I'll avoid the defaming.

Quote the SHPA:
"Salaries and employment conditions for intern pharmacists are detailed in the Hospital Pharmacist Award and Enterprise Bargaining Agreement. The base annual salary for a 38-hour week in 2010 will be approximately $38,000... ...Some hospitals also provide the opportunity to earn overtime with rostered weekend, public holiday and on-call work. Weekend work is usually paid at double time."

38K probably doesn't seem super awesome but remember you won't be registered yet and you're still pretty much a student with an empty degree just learning on the job. Everything you do would be supervised by a pharmacist so that no one dies from a medication error. After you're registered you'll earn a lot more.

Quote SHPA:
"Salaries for pharmacists in hospitals are often negotiable. The following are the approximate base annual salaries for a 38-hour week according to the local Hospital Pharmacist Award and Enterprise Bargaining Agreement. This information is provided as a guide.

Base Salaries as at January 2010
Grade 1 $47,600 - $63,800
Grade 2 $63,800 - $74,600
Grade 3 $76,100 - $86,100
Grade 4 $89,200 - $103,500
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The above is all for hospital pharmacists. Retail varies a bit - some say it's a bit more, but you might be able to look up the award by Googling. As to what the grades mean, I'm not completely sure. My idea of it is that grades correspond to the type of work you do (i.e. director of the dept. in a hospital, managing a large pharmacy...) - and also your experience.

You'd need to have quite a lot of money already available to open up your own retail pharmacy which not only includes buying the shop area but for stock, registration, staff and a range of other factors. Hard to start up but once you do the cash rolls in. It's also heavily regulated so you can't just open up anywhere. This is lucrative, but how "good" it is depends on whether you'd enjoy the community pharmacy type work. What the pharmacy course tries to emphasise is that pharmacists should do more than standing in their room out the back preparing prescriptions and get out onto the floor and talk to patients/customers more. Counselling occurs in most cases but usually not enough goes on and some places tend to delegate this task to the pharmacy assistant/technicians. Counselling is usually compulsory for people at risk such as the elderly, people with a history of non-compliance, children, people from non-English speaking backgrounds etc, you get what I'm saying.

I've heard people say that it's quite boring for a job, all you do is sit in a room and mix up drugs, without applying most of what you've learnt. Is this true?
Depends on the individual and path you're taking. Most of what you learn in any course isn't always used.

If you go into pharmacy, just go in knowing that the pharm system isn't perfect and what the pharmacist profession tries to do is get more "roles" to play to outlast the prospect of a dispensing machine.

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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2010, 09:59:27 pm »
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You are a legend, I'm defs thinking about Pharmacy now :)
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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2010, 10:23:57 pm »
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someone said that if you graduate from latrobe pharmacy its hard to get recognised and get a job easily.....is that true? cos i heard that australia is in need of pharmacists :S
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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2010, 10:56:28 pm »
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Well, ofcourse you can find a job but employers will probably tend to favour more prestigious unis. Considering that Australia is in need of pharmacists (growing older population) I think the probability of latrobe graduates ending up jobless is going to be extremely scarce...
well the limit can turn into a threshold..

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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2010, 11:00:03 pm »
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You are a legend, I'm defs thinking about Pharmacy now :)

the place full of girls, haha
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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2010, 11:09:00 pm »
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someone said that if you graduate from latrobe pharmacy its hard to get recognised and get a job easily.....is that true? cos i heard that australia is in need of pharmacists :S
Nah, doesn't really matter which uni you went to for pharmacy. If you're a good pharmacist then they'll see that and take you in. It's just the structure of the course that is different and the networks you form. Monash also has more alumni out there so I guess it's easier to 'relate' to them in a job interview or what not. But yeah, Monash pharm gets LaTrobe pharm students transferring across. I think it's mainly just a location issue, and not so the ability to land a job.

^and hahaha yeah female dominated course.

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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2010, 11:24:39 pm »
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i noe that by getting a good umat (over 80 percentile) and approx 95 enter(even below a bit), you will definitely get into pharm. If your umat is not that great then you have to get around 97 enter to get in. This is based on what i found from other pharm students. Hopefully this helps :D
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« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2010, 11:26:58 pm »
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You are a legend, I'm defs thinking about Pharmacy now :)

the place full of girls, haha
what?
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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #28 on: July 17, 2010, 04:05:48 am »
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I don't think underrepresented schools category would give you much of a boost, there are so many schools that fall in this category, they cant be giving favors to everyone this way or they might as well just lower enter scores for every course.

As for pharmacy as a job, remember, whilst all you see is the little old man at the counter at the local pharmacy, like many jobs you can work in many different roles.

This is just for me personally but i was considering pharmacy for a while and came to the conclusion it would bore me eventually. I want a dynamic job, you only live once and i don't really want to spend all my working hours and hence most of my life doing something boring or the same thing pretty much every day. For me standing behind a counter in a pharmacy filling prescriptions doesn't sound like my cup of tea (Same reason i turned down something in software development, just wouldn't be dynamic enough, more dynamic though than pharmacy).

Anyway, back to my original point. Sitting at a counter in the local pharmacy filling out prescriptions isn't the only thing you can do as a pharmacist.

(I'm not in pharmacy or have done all that much research, forgive me if i'm wrong) You could for instance:

* (i know not everyone would get to do this) work with one of the NGO organisations and go overseas and help sick children

*Work in research

*-Work for the army , then your just not a regular pharmacist, you're a professional pharmaceutical warrior (watch the video - hell it even made me want to be a pharmacist a little)
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Re: Pharmacy
« Reply #29 on: July 17, 2010, 12:05:37 pm »
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I use to work in a local pharmacy in the western suburbs. The pharmacists there recommended me not to do pharmacy because their salary doesn't exceed 80k even with over 10 years experience. But their wages might differ from bigger companies such as chemist warehouse and terry white. Apparently its hard to find full time work in small pharmacies such as the one i was working at because the owner works 6 days a week and only 1 pharmacist is on duty in a day. Therefore the pharmacists at my workplace work at 2-3 different pharmacies a week. It's not a bad job though, it's quite relaxing.