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The pros and cons of VCE English
« on: October 21, 2007, 02:42:38 am »
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It's a stupid indicator of actual performance for English. I'll elaborate later, or others can start me off.
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 08:18:53 am »
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English is VCAA's response to an overwhelming number of asians pwning their own system. RAARRRR!!!  :evil:

11 days, and it's all over. :D
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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2007, 10:42:44 am »
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i like having english as compulsory, good communication and analytical skills are valuable in every line of work.
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2007, 10:51:46 am »
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My thoughts are that there should be multiple streams of English - one for business-related communication skills, etc., another for those who enjoy literature/are looking at taking a literature tertiary study, much like the current english course - text analysis, essays, etc.
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2007, 10:55:54 am »
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I say make English compulsory but take it out of the top 4. Then let universities judge if they need 35 or whatever for english as a requirement.
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2007, 10:57:56 am »
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i like having english as compulsory, good communication and analytical skills are valuable in every line of work.


I'd argue that VCE English does nothing like that.

What do you think my English is worth? I got 36. I know someone else who is clever and writes articulately: 39. He got 50 in every other subject. I think we are two cases of the extreme disparity of English skills vs English scores.

I mean, if they're going to mark unfairly, I'm fine with that, but don't put it in the top 4. The 39 cost that guy CSP Medicine @ Melbourne, which he definitely deserved.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 10:59:52 am »
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That's the thing, it's not just about writing expressively and fluently. There's a whole load of other stuff in VCE English, such as structure and ideas regarding the text..
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2007, 11:07:48 am »
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I say make English compulsory but take it out of the top 4. Then let universities judge if they need 35 or whatever for english as a requirement.


I agree :) english shouldn't be in your top 4.... a little bit off topic but i also think they should definately get rid of religion as being compulsory for catholic schools ...
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2007, 11:11:04 am »
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I say make English compulsory but take it out of the top 4. Then let universities judge if they need 35 or whatever for english as a requirement.


I agree :) english shouldn't be in your top 4.... a little bit off topic but i also think they should definately get rid of religion as being compulsory for catholic schools ...


Haha, yeah that's ridiculous, but that's the school's decision, not VCAA, so you'll have to take that up with your school (re: religion)
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2007, 11:13:57 am »
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I say make English compulsory but take it out of the top 4. Then let universities judge if they need 35 or whatever for english as a requirement.


I agree :) english shouldn't be in your top 4.... a little bit off topic but i also think they should definately get rid of religion as being compulsory for catholic schools ...


Haha, yeah that's ridiculous, but that's the school's decision, not VCAA, so you'll have to take that up with your school (re: religion)


You mean to tell me that its the schools decision not the CEO's[Catholic Education Office]decision?? lol (my school told us that the CEO makes studying religion in vce compulsory)
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2007, 11:19:06 am »
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school's choice to be religious, and anyway, isnt only 1 unit compulsory?
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« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2007, 11:19:49 am »
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Quote from: "Odette"
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I say make English compulsory but take it out of the top 4. Then let universities judge if they need 35 or whatever for english as a requirement.


I agree :) english shouldn't be in your top 4.... a little bit off topic but i also think they should definately get rid of religion as being compulsory for catholic schools ...


Haha, yeah that's ridiculous, but that's the school's decision, not VCAA, so you'll have to take that up with your school (re: religion)


You mean to tell me that its the schools decision not the CEO's[Catholic Education Office]decision?? lol (my school told us that the CEO makes studying religion in vce compulsory)


Oh, I wouldn't know... but the thing is: at least you have a choice to go to a catholic school or not. If I could goto a school where I didn't have to do VCE English, then I'd definitely go there! Haha
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2007, 11:22:14 am »
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Yeah i guess you do have a choice.. well i never had a choice tbh my parents made it for me, so i was forced to go to a catholic school, but yeah i know one things for sure religion wont be in my top 4 lol ..
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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2007, 11:53:59 am »
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at my old school the rule was you only had to do one unit, so everyone did it for half of year 11
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2007, 02:28:31 pm »
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Stupid policy. English should be moderated better somehow. Too many flaws in the system. It does well to moderate harsh sac markers and easy sac markers. BUT TI DOESN'T HELP AGAINST RETARDS. MY TEACHER GAVE A GIRL A HIGH A+ AND HER ESSAYS HAS THE WORD "I". I BELIEVE ETCE ETC ETC ETC. GOD DAM IT MAKES ME ANGRY THAT I HAVE A RETARDED TEACHER. IN ONE INSTANCE I WROTE A PRE WRITTEN ESSAY WHICH MY TUTOR SAID WAS AWESOME. MY TEACHER ACCUSED ME OF MAKING EVENTS UP IN THE NOVEL. YET WHEN WE HAVE CLASS DISCUSSION I MAKE THINGS UP IN THE BOOK ALL THE TIME AND HE SAYS "GOOD INSIGHT", YET WHEN IM NOT BEING RETARDED HE STARTS ACTING MORE IDIOTIC DEN USUAL. I DOUBT HE EVEN READS THE TEXT WE STUDY, ALL HE DOES IS STUDY GUIDES. FFS I HAVE TO INCLUDE PAGE NUMBERS OF QUOTES FOR MY ESSAY AND IF I DON'T HAVE THEM I GET A BAD GRADE. WHEN MY WORK GETS CROSS MARKED I GET AN A+, OR AT WORST A (I KNOW BECAUSE OTHER TEACHERS TELL MY SISTER MY MARKS WHILE THEY ARE CROSS MAKING). IF THE SYSTEM WAS SO GOOD WHY AM I IN THIS SITUATION ( ON THE VERGE OF FAILING ENGLISH). Well thats my rant.
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