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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #135 on: October 14, 2010, 01:01:38 pm »
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There are very, very few professions where english/communication skills won't be useful.

That's why specific courses have a study score you need to achieve for english. There must be better ways of judging communication skills than conflict pieces and analysing a play.

When will you ever use complex numbers in your life (spec), depreciate your Non Current Assets (accounting), apply Lenz's law when connecting electronics (physics) or sketch standard normal distributions (methods).

About the same time you have to read a book and answer a prompt using an essay, write a piece on a context and analyse a persuasive piece in 3 hours.

So if everyone has to go to the extent of knowing how to write about context/analyse texts, then everyone has to sketch normal distributions. :)

Take this from someone who absolutely despised VCE English. Whatever course you do, you will need to learn how to write essays and you will need to know how to critically analyse stuff. You will be surprised the amount of essays that you have to do, I certainly was at first year, even doing a science courses (well, these were biomed units).
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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #136 on: October 14, 2010, 03:29:55 pm »
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English shouldnt be compulsory top 4 imo
Is this a VCE thingo or a VTAC thingo?

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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #137 on: October 23, 2010, 07:57:48 pm »
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English shouldnt be compulsory top 4 imo

We live in Australia. English is the first and most predominant language. I can't help but disagree with you; the educated youth of this generation need to be able to speak and write English properly. What is the point in being a physics, history or philosophy whiz if you cannot even use the language of your country adequately?
Imagine if we all SCRATCHED OUR EXAMS... they'd have nothing to mark, they wouldn't be able to rank us.
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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #138 on: October 24, 2010, 12:29:00 am »
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English shouldnt be compulsory top 4 imo

We live in Australia. English is the first and most predominant language. I can't help but disagree with you; the educated youth of this generation need to be able to speak and write English properly. What is the point in being a physics, history or philosophy whiz if you cannot even use the language of your country adequately?

I think the skills required to pass Y12 English are sufficient for us to "use the language". Getting a 35 SS for English should be a good thing - not detrimental to your ATAR if you want 95+
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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #139 on: October 24, 2010, 10:40:18 am »
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For the majority SACs are "just another class test". Exams are entirely different; the fact that they are externally set and marked, that they are above and beyond your own school's control - that is what creates the (generally) daunting atmosphere of exams(in VCE at least).

Having impartial and unbiased assessors to mark our exams creates fairness. If this aspect creates stress for someone, perhaps they are too reliant on the soft markings of their respective teachers.

Things being stressful is unavoidable due to the nature of exams and dependent on the individual. If you cant handle a bit of stress in VCe, GL in real world.

I am not against stressful situations; i am against unreasonable amounts of stress which severely compromise student's performance to an unfair level.

SACs are nothing like exams.

Because of the differences zomgSEAN wishes to get rid of.

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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #140 on: October 24, 2010, 10:57:51 am »
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English shouldnt be compulsory top 4 imo

We live in Australia. English is the first and most predominant language. I can't help but disagree with you; the educated youth of this generation need to be able to speak and write English properly. What is the point in being a physics, history or philosophy whiz if you cannot even use the language of your country adequately?
You miss the point. im saying it should still be compulsory but not have to be in top 4. It should work like any other subj. And so long as uni's have their pre req's ppl will still try in it.

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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #141 on: October 24, 2010, 11:00:56 am »
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There's no reason to have it compulsory but not top4. Then you'll just get people picking an extra subject and ignoring english completely. It's either important enough to be included in your mark or it's not, don't go in between.

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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #142 on: October 24, 2010, 11:02:28 am »
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For the majority SACs are "just another class test". Exams are entirely different; the fact that they are externally set and marked, that they are above and beyond your own school's control - that is what creates the (generally) daunting atmosphere of exams(in VCE at least).

Having impartial and unbiased assessors to mark our exams creates fairness. If this aspect creates stress for someone, perhaps they are too reliant on the soft markings of their respective teachers.

Things being stressful is unavoidable due to the nature of exams and dependent on the individual. If you cant handle a bit of stress in VCe, GL in real world.

I am not against stressful situations; i am against unreasonable amounts of stress which severely compromise student's performance to an unfair level.

SACs are nothing like exams.

Because of the differences zomgSEAN wishes to get rid of.

YES.

Stress is relative and subjective, not everyone feels stress, and if you feel THAT MUCH stress, that means u care + your own personality generates that kind of stress. Some people, who are concerned for their studies and do well just naturally do not stress. Maybe you're just one of those people who feels it regardless. You can't go through life not feeling it, nor not wanting to feel it. Deal with it and don't blame stress for making you do bad. It's got nothing to do with VCE, that's a personal characteristic we all need to cope with.
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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #143 on: October 24, 2010, 11:02:48 am »
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There's no reason to have it compulsory but not top4. Then you'll just get people picking an extra subject and ignoring english completely. It's either important enough to be included in your mark or it's not, don't go in between.

Mhmm, but I think that we should make further compulsory.
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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #144 on: October 24, 2010, 12:17:50 pm »
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No, don't make Further compulsory; rather, at least one mathematics sequence should be completed by all students.

Though I'm sure that's what you meant anyway.
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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #145 on: October 24, 2010, 12:32:58 pm »
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There's no reason to have it compulsory but not top4. Then you'll just get people picking an extra subject and ignoring english completely. It's either important enough to be included in your mark or it's not, don't go in between.
Dont think serious ppl will ignore it when its still a pre-req to get into Uni.

I agree with m@tty. Maths should be compulsory as well.

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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #146 on: October 24, 2010, 12:33:29 pm »
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No, don't make Further compulsory; rather, at least one mathematics sequence should be completed by all students.

Though I'm sure that's what you meant anyway.

yea, but can u imagine the backlash i'd get if I said MAKE SPECIALIST compulsory :P?
I just said further since it's considered the "easiest" for many. Like a base component. but yea, if you do a harder maths, no need to I guess.


Maths is important as well as literacy. Saves all those times you grumble over who pays the bill :)
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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #147 on: October 24, 2010, 12:38:58 pm »
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No, don't make Further compulsory; rather, at least one mathematics sequence should be completed by all students.

Though I'm sure that's what you meant anyway.

yea, but can u imagine the backlash i'd get if I said MAKE SPECIALIST compulsory :P?
I just said further since it's considered the "easiest" for many. Like a base component. but yea, if you do a harder maths, no need to I guess.


Maths is important as well as literacy. Saves all those times you grumble over who pays the bill :)

I know many extremely intelligent people who exceed in english/drama and arts, yet fail miserably at any mathematics, if a large majority of people don't require or hold an interest in maths why would that be made compulsory. english fair enough, we're an english speaking nation... but maths is not essential. Personally because of the competition at higher levels i regret doing further maths, if you ask me it's methods(because it's a prereq) or just unnecessary.
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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #148 on: October 24, 2010, 12:51:05 pm »
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No, don't make Further compulsory; rather, at least one mathematics sequence should be completed by all students.

Though I'm sure that's what you meant anyway.

yea, but can u imagine the backlash i'd get if I said MAKE SPECIALIST compulsory :P?
I just said further since it's considered the "easiest" for many. Like a base component. but yea, if you do a harder maths, no need to I guess.


Maths is important as well as literacy. Saves all those times you grumble over who pays the bill :)

I know many extremely intelligent people who exceed in english/drama and arts, yet fail miserably at any mathematics, if a large majority of people don't require or hold an interest in maths why would that be made compulsory. english fair enough, we're an english speaking nation... but maths is not essential. Personally because of the competition at higher levels i regret doing further maths, if you ask me it's methods(because it's a prereq) or just unnecessary.

I can't believe you just said maths is not essential. I personally find it embarrasing that some people I know think I'm amazing because I can add 180+270+360 off the top of my head.

The way I see it
people who suck at english complain that it shouldnt be in the top four
people who suck at maths complain that it shouldn't be in the top four.
We are all arguing because we want to protect our VCE scores and we don't want them to get affected by something compulsory. Well, tell that to IB where everyone has to do an EE and TOK.

And if you don't want maths in the top four, then the government needs to improve the standard of maths in the lower year levels. 
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Re: Is VCE fair?
« Reply #149 on: October 24, 2010, 12:55:05 pm »
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There's no reason to have it compulsory but not top4. Then you'll just get people picking an extra subject and ignoring english completely. It's either important enough to be included in your mark or it's not, don't go in between.
Dont think serious ppl will ignore it when its still a pre-req to get into Uni.

I agree with m@tty. Maths should be compulsory as well.

The prereq for a lot of courses is what...25?