IS THIS RIGHT? I THINK ITS WRONG?

[jinny1]

guys if i wrote in an exam...

" In CC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented before the response, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented after the response"

would i be correct??

thats all im kinda worried about

for operant condtitioning do not say that the "stimulus" is presented after the response, say "reinforcement (and/or) punishment," try to be specific. and for classical conditioning say "the CS (and/or) UCS is presented before the response" and you should be golden. I would steer clear of saying 'reinforcement' for Classical conditioning as i've never come across it being used for CC

But if im differentiating the two... i have to use the same word to describe the difference between both of them...

do you get me??? sorry if im confusing

[sillysmile]

I couldn't find my textbook, I apologize...
haha, I haven't used it in about 2 or 3 months.

The heinemann textbook doesn't have the ABC model in it, just checked again.

oh, well I must have learnt that somewhere else then :S

Yer I only know it cos my teacher randomly explained it from the top of her head.. Guessing it's from the old study design or something..

is your teacher an old or young lady?

[Slumdawg]

Instead of saying " In CC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented before the response, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented after the response"

You should say " In CC, the stimulus is presented before the response occurs, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/stimulus is presented after the initial response."

So use stimulus for CC and reinforcer/stimulus for OC. Well that's what I always do and my teacher's never said anything bad about it.

[sillysmile]

Instead of saying " In CC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented before the response, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented after the response"

You should say " In CC, the stimulus is presented before the response occurs, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/stimulus is presented after the initial response."

So use stimulus for CC and reinforcer/stimulus for OC. Well that's what I always do and my teacher's never said anything bad about it.

I think this is great.

[jinny1]

ahk thanks bro

[Slumdawg]

I couldn't find my textbook, I apologize...
haha, I haven't used it in about 2 or 3 months.

The heinemann textbook doesn't have the ABC model in it, just checked again.

oh, well I must have learnt that somewhere else then :S

Yer I only know it cos my teacher randomly explained it from the top of her head.. Guessing it's from the old study design or something..

is your teacher an old or young lady?

Umm around 40-45ish I'd say. She's the best teacher though, knows basically everything about psych. I've yet to see her get something wrong or not know something.

[sillysmile]

I couldn't find my textbook, I apologize...
haha, I haven't used it in about 2 or 3 months.

The heinemann textbook doesn't have the ABC model in it, just checked again.

oh, well I must have learnt that somewhere else then :S

Yer I only know it cos my teacher randomly explained it from the top of her head.. Guessing it's from the old study design or something..

is your teacher an old or young lady?

Umm around 40-45ish I'd say. She's the best teacher though, knows basically everything about psych. I've yet to see her get something wrong or not know something.

yeah, thought she would be older..
she sounds heaps like my teacher, except she is probably more like 50-60.

[Slumdawg]

ahk thanks bro

Also if you're worried about using a different word for OC you could have stimulus (reinforcer) instead.. But a slash should suffice..

[matt123]

Instead of saying " In CC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented before the response, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/reinforcement/stimulus is presented after the response"

You should say " In CC, the stimulus is presented before the response occurs, whereas in OC, the reinforcer/stimulus is presented after the initial response."

So use stimulus for CC and reinforcer/stimulus for OC. Well that's what I always do and my teacher's never said anything bad about it.

Correct answer.

Also
 who ever said the ucs isnt a reinforcer.

The textbook states " in cc the reinforcement is given BEFORE the response"

e.g
the food (usc) is given to the dog before it salivates ( response).

[Slumdawg]

So Spreadbury, have we answered your question in the end?

This concept is pretty confusing and it did take me a while to understand it when I first learnt it, so I get where you're coming from.

Look up Skinner's ABC model if you want to further clarify it..

[Spreadbury]

sorry, I completely disagree with what your textbooks tell you. to me, Grivas just seems far more logical in what he's saying about how the response occurs

[matt123]

sorry, I completely disagree with what your textbooks tell you. to me, Grivas just seems far more logical in what he's saying about how the response occurs

I got that info from gravias.
Its a table with operant and classical conditioning

its got

1. nature of response
2. timing of response
etc etc

I dont have the book with me atm so i cannot find the page . but im sure u can remember/find it.

[Slumdawg]

sorry, I completely disagree with what your textbooks tell you. to me, Grivas just seems far more logical in what he's saying about how the response occurs

Far enough mate, go with what you believe.

[matt123]

sorry, I completely disagree with what your textbooks tell you. to me, Grivas just seems far more logical in what he's saying about how the response occurs

Far enough mate, go with what you believe.

Lol spread i got my info from THE TEXTBOOK YOU "BELIEVE IN" = gravias.

buddy , im only trying to drill this into Ur mind because it has a high potential of coming on the exam.
You can take it or leave it. it doesn't bother me.
I just hope you get it right when it counts.

Ive heard it from many people. The book + notes + exams.

Ask your teacher and lemme know what she says.

[Spreadbury]

matt I think you and I use greatly different textbooks. unless you intentionally mispell "grivas" (no A after the R) then we're not using the same book.