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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #30 on: November 12, 2010, 09:11:08 pm »
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you wouldn't lose marks but by using the kotter theory you wouldnt get any bonus marks. i dont no, just my theory

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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2010, 09:18:05 pm »
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change is important (define change).... motivational and restraining forces (define each) List some of both with relation to a business you have studied. (say about 2-3 each and how they are a driving/restraining force.)

That is all the question consisted of. In no way, shape or form did it say "How would Kotter's theory of change management reduce restraining forces and promote driving forces."

It was simply a devious trick from those dogs at VCAA as they knew everyone would assume (including myself) that 10 marks would be on Kotter.

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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2010, 09:19:08 pm »
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the question itself was not work 10 marks

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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2010, 09:35:09 pm »
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lol that is a fair point.

Well, maybe? Definition of 3 things = 3
Provide lets say mac 3 per each force, i did 2, ): but anyway thats 6,

and then 1 just for the qulaity of it?

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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2010, 09:39:46 pm »
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can someone explain to me how you couldve used kotters int he last question? i dont see how you could possibly make it relevent to the Q...


after having discussed the restraining forces that restrict change being successful you could have then discussed the driving forces of change which would then assist you and directly link with the concepts and steps involved in Kotter and how these need to be fulfilled for a change to be successful. but i guess you could only draw on Kotter if you used a detailed case study rather than an issue as your example

hope that helps a lil :)
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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2010, 09:43:06 pm »
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can someone explain to me how you couldve used kotters int he last question? i dont see how you could possibly make it relevent to the Q...

I did it as when they have to respond to the driving forces... then within the stages of kotter talked about empowering ppl can cost so may be a restraining force.... etc
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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2010, 09:45:01 pm »
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What if you did both? Like I did the full page and a half on what the question asked and the issue that our school studied. then right at the end wrote something like "For any company to get sucessful change they should implement kotters theory, the first step is to...etc etc etc". only took like 3 lines.

Is that ok? or will I loose marks?
You will unfortunately lose  marks. You get no marks for discussing Kotters as the question didn't ask for it.

But to get a top answer you would have used kotter...
See everything in the study design would have been tested in there! BUT it was up to you to bring it in.. Deff sorts out who knows what they are talking about, who can actually apply the information and not just spit it back out and have no idea what they are talking about...
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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #37 on: November 12, 2010, 09:47:42 pm »
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no kotter was not needed, only driving and restraining forces

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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #38 on: November 12, 2010, 09:54:44 pm »
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i spent 10 in the reading time on this question alone, i looked and looked for some way in which kotter should be incorporated (like many thinking it had to be) i couldnt not find it. When it came time to write the question i simply filled up the space for this answer defining globalisation and discusing driving and restraining forces in my LSO (Pacific Brands) after filling the lines. i used the enitire extra space on the back relating it to kotter, if i loose marks for including kotter im gunna be shitty cause i answered the question and used extra time to expand if its not a good asnwer well vcaa is stupid

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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #39 on: November 12, 2010, 10:42:40 pm »
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What if you did both? Like I did the full page and a half on what the question asked and the issue that our school studied. then right at the end wrote something like "For any company to get sucessful change they should implement kotters theory, the first step is to...etc etc etc". only took like 3 lines.

Is that ok? or will I loose marks?
You will unfortunately lose  marks. You get no marks for discussing Kotters as the question didn't ask for it.

But to get a top answer you would have used kotter...
See everything in the study design would have been tested in there! BUT it was up to you to bring it in.. Deff sorts out who knows what they are talking about, who can actually apply the information and not just spit it back out and have no idea what they are talking about...
The question is not about managing change therefore you do not necessarily need to apply Kotters 8 step theory. If you listed all 8 steps in detail gg...i dont know why you would, you wouldnt be responding to what the q was asking at all.
And your thing about "Its up to you to bring it in" is wrong. It's practically impossible to apply everything in BusMan to a broad exam within 2 hours. >.< Especially when they haven't even asked you much specific. I doubt theres that many people who could just go *Bang* "this, this, this and this all relate to this q", write it all down (in the space) and so on and so forth for each q WITHIN THE TIME FRAME.
Look, I don't really know (none of us do, unless one of us wrote the marking scheme ::)) what the top answers would require, but this is my opinion.

Also VCAA probably knew everyone was thinking Kotter for the 10 marker because its an obvious choice (Just go and have a look at the threads where ppl are claiming '10 free marks') and an easy 8/10 marks as then definitely ppl would just write rote-learnt answers. This is their idea of a trick.
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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #40 on: November 12, 2010, 10:51:07 pm »
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i agree i dont beleive you had to mention kotter to gain full marks but i didnt think doing it could hurt guess we will have to wait and see

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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #41 on: November 13, 2010, 12:09:42 am »
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THe problem is that the first sentence talked about managing t=change, hence why after I wrote what i felt were 10 marks worth of forces etc. i then put in kotter too.

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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #42 on: November 13, 2010, 12:42:44 am »
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The first sentence was "managing change is important."ok... No shit, genius. But it did not expand upon this. I dont know why it was included because the question then whent straight on to listing forces. Sure kotter could be used to describe how its implementation could promote driving f. and prevent restricting forces, but that wasnt what the question was asking. The word "theory"was not in the question, and therefore of no relevance to a change theory (kotter.) if marks are lost for not including kotter, well then we victorians have quite a fucked up education system.

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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #43 on: November 13, 2010, 02:24:08 am »
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change is important (define change).... motivational and restraining forces (define each) List some of both with relation to a business you have studied. (say about 2-3 each and how they are a driving/restraining force.)

That is all the question consisted of. In no way, shape or form did it say "How would Kotter's theory of change management reduce restraining forces and promote driving forces."

Finally some sense on the board. End of the story. If you mention Kotter's theory you are basically stuffed for the 10 mark question... there is no point 'justifying' it...
You can't twist a question to suit your own needs... it was very dog by vcaa but at least this will separate the good students from the weaker students.... this was a hard exam

It was simply a devious trick from those dogs at VCAA as they knew everyone would assume (including myself) that 10 marks would be on Kotter.

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Re: was it possible to apply kotter
« Reply #44 on: November 13, 2010, 03:18:19 am »
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The first sentence was "managing change is important."ok... No shit, genius. But it did not expand upon this. I dont know why it was included because the question then whent straight on to listing forces. Sure kotter could be used to describe how its implementation could promote driving f. and prevent restricting forces, but that wasnt what the question was asking. The word "theory"was not in the question, and therefore of no relevance to a change theory (kotter.) if marks are lost for not including kotter, well then we victorians have quite a fucked up education system.

I'm not saying it was necessary, I'm saying those of us who had extra time and added Kotter to our already finished restraining/driving were doing it because of that sentence.