BComm/LLB Units Confusion

[Duck]

Look up the course planner is the easiest way to do it. I just did afc1000 ecc1000 mgc1010 and another compulsory one. Also you only have 5 compulsory commerce units because you don't do business law

[sam.utute]

Link to the course planner please. Dial up internet is annoying me.

[Duck]

http://www.law.monash.edu.au/futurestudents/courses.html
Then click 'course map' next to Bachelor of Commerce/Bachelor of Laws and it will open in excel.

[sam.utute]

http://www.law.monash.edu.au/futurestudents/courses.html
Then click 'course map' next to Bachelor of Commerce/Bachelor of Laws and it will open in excel.

Thanks for the link. I'm thinking it might be best to complete the compulsory Commerce units first as well. They might be prerequisites for other units.

[lynt.br]

My recommendation:

1st semester:
Introduction to Legal Reasoning (ILR)
Contract A
2x Compulsory Commerce Subjects

2nd Semester
Research and Writing (RAW)
Contract B
2x Commerce subjects

Use this page for more help on course structure.

If you are doing commerce/law you only have 5 compulsory commerce subjects. You don't have to do Business Law. The five compulsory subjects are:

AFC1000 Introduction to Accounting and Finance
ECC1000 Principles of Microeconomics
ETC1000 Business and Economic Statistics
MGC1010 Introduction to Management
MKC1200 Principles of Marketing

Looking at your VCE subjects, most of these subjects should be a walk in the park. You don't have to do these five subjects in order, so long as you have done them all by the end of your degree you will be fine. If you already know what you want to major in then I recommend 'saving' some of the compulsory subjects until later in your degree. This can help relieve some stress in later years when you can counterbalance some of the harder commerce/law subjects with the easy first year subjects you saved. For example, if you are sure you want to major in finance, you might consider not taking management or marketing until much later in your degree.

As for books, try to always buy from Monash marketplace rather than legibook. The book list for law likes to recommend books which are completely unnecessary. For ILR all you will need is Laying Down the Law and the Interpretation of Legislation Act. For everything else, just use the library. Do not pay $100+ for the ILR 'pack' at legibook -____-

Contracts says the casebook is prescribed and the principles book is recommended. It should really be the other way around. Make sure you get the principles book, it basically takes half the challenge out of studying law by already summarising everything for you and presenting it in a textbook format. Consider whether you will actually commit to reading the casebook regularly before buying it. The book is about 1000 pages worth of court judgments written in size 10 font. It's entirely possible to pass and even HD contracts with just the principles book but if you want to stand out, read the casebook. IF you just want to pass, you can probably get away with just using the library casebooks whenever you need them.

[lishan515]

http://www.law.monash.edu.au/futurestudents/courses.html
Then click 'course map' next to Bachelor of Commerce/Bachelor of Laws and it will open in excel.

Thanks for the link. I'm thinking it might be best to complete the compulsory Commerce units first as well. They might be prerequisites for other units.

Also note: MOST (meaning 90% at least) of Com/Law students disregard the course map after first year
That is first year do contracts a/b; Ilr and raw

and then in 2nd year do: Crim a/b and Torts A/B and 2 commerce - just keep this in mind.
The main reason not to do prop in 2nd year is that you will be competing against 3rd year students who have done 4 extra law units (as pretty much all students do 2 combined/ 2 law)
Hence competing against kids with much higher law skills

[Streaker]

This is from the handbook entry for Commerce/Law...

Students complete 16 units (96 points) from the Faculty of Business and Economics as follows:

(i) five compulsory common core units (30 points):

AFC1000 Principles of accounting and finance
ECC1000 Principles of microeconomics
ETC1000 Business and economic statistics
MGC1010 Introduction to management
MKC1200 Principles of marketing

(ii) at least two units from the following list (12 points):

AFC1030 Introduction to financial accounting, or AFC2140 Corporate finance
ECC1100 Principles of macroeconomics
ETC1010 Data modelling and computing
MGC1020 Organisations: contexts and strategies

(iii) a major of eight units (48 points)*

My question is: I'm doing the first two subjects in (i) above during semester one and the first two subjects in (ii) above during semester two only because I think they are related and perhaps would help me in semester 2. Would it be better to do all the subjects from (i) in the first two years of my degree just to get it over and done with? And will I ever run into the situation where for one or more years of my course I will have no commerce subjects to do? i.e. only law subjects since there are a minimum of 6 commerce subjects I can do plus a major

[TrueTears]

I'm doing all the 6 compulsory commerce units first, they're compulsory for a reason, since they build the foundations for different areas of commerce.

[ninwa]

Wtf? Definitely don't do property in 2nd year. What a stupid course plan

[lynt.br]

mmm, I'm trying to plan my course so I can isolate property as the only law subject for one of my years. Not sure how successful I'm going to be at that though

I know someone overloading this year with property :O


Edit: to the OP, I should also give some quick advice about the court report assignment you'll get at the law info session. Don't put of going to court until the last day. Most the time you will be sitting through traffic offenses until you finally get a case you can actually write about. I recommend you just rock up to the Magistrate's Court because cases in the other courts will be too long. The front desk will probably tell you to go to court room one but unless you want to just hear people plead guilty to traffic offences all day I recommend you check out the civil cases on the top levels.

[sam.utute]

Any chance we are allowed to do summer course in first year?

Oh, and thanks lynt.br! Advice was most helpful.

[lynt.br]

You've already missed the boat for summer semester 2010/2011. I guess you could do a summer semester for 2011/2012 but the subjects on offer are extremely limited and usually are later year units. Link to commerce summer semester units.

Once you do ILR + RAW you can actually do a wide range of law subjects because law tends not to have many prereqs, however, the law subjects you can do in summer semester tend to be 4th year+ subjects. I'd also advise you get more experience handling law subjects before you try to cram one into a summer semester. The list of law subjects is here. If you are adamant about doing one, apparently Lawyers Ethics and Society is pretty straight forward and is a compulsory unit.

[Fyrefly]

Also, summer units are usually full fee... (read: $$$ out of your own pocket, upfront)

[ninwa]

Yep, they always make it so the compulsory law subjects are full fee, and the electives are HECS - and then they provide shitty electives. So =.= better to just give your brain a break, or do a commerce summer unit instead.