Your opinion on Schoolies.

[doboman]

i agree with bucket, methodsboy loosen up a bit and have fun. You live life once and you experience VCE graduation once so why not make the most of it. Btw, there are people who'd rather enjoy their summer holidays having a good time, partying, drinking etc then doing extra extra work which is not even relevant since VCE has finished, unless your a psychopath. And this does not mean restrictive to schoolies, i mean going out in general.

Sorry  Hard, but I'm going to have to go against you in this one. Although your argument is valid, and your opinion is quite pervasive in society today- children dont need to get 'wasted' to have fun in life. I for one dont agree with schoolies. As safe as police endeavour to make it, such a young- intoxicated crowd will not be fully contained.

Firstly, the police will not be there to monitor every move of every year 12. They have promised to make barriers or closed off areas. But what happens when these "drunk schoolies'' leave that area to go home and are exposed to the real world, and 'toolies' who are ready to pounce on what they see as 'cheep targets'?. Who's there to protect them then?

Secondly, MY opinion on the whole matter (for what its worth) is that after a tough year, they should be able to wind down. Whether this "winding down" needs to take place with booming music, thousands of litres of booze, teenagers who perceive themselves as "invincible" and the older kids who are looking for 'cheap targets'- i don't necessarily agree. Schoolies is a great risk. People who are able to take a step back and look at the holistic picture can see that, with such a crowd, fights- and even sexual abuse- can stem really quickly. These kids have just finished a stressful year, and according to 'protocol' they believe- the harder they party, the better they'll feel. Although i want these teenagers to enjoy themselves, i also want them to be alive for the next part of their lives- and that could very well be at risk with such a crowd flocked around them, pressuring them and even forcing them to do actions that they never intended to do. (peer pressure)

To finish off, i dont believe that such heavy partying will have good impact on these teenagers' lives. Everybody has their own opinion, and thats mine. Enjoy your holidays- but in a fun, respectable and non-excessive manner so that you're alive (or not impaired) for the next, most important part of your life.

[doboman]

Slightly off topic- but wanted to add it here.

I went to a party,
And remembered what you said.
You told me not to drink, Mum,
so I had a sprite instead.

I felt proud of myself,
The way you said I would,
that I didn't drink and drive,
though  some friends said I should.

I made a healthy choice,
And your advice to me was right.
The party finally ended,
and the kids drove out of sight.

I got into my car,
Sure to get home in one piece.
I never knew what was coming, Mm,
something I expected least.

Now I'm lying on the pavement,
And I hear the policeman say,
the kid that caused this wreck was drunk,
Mum, his voice seems far away.

My own blood's all around  me,
As I try hard not to cry.
I can hear the paramedic say,
this girl is going to die.

I'm sure the guy had no idea,
While he was flying high.
Because he chose to drink and drive,
now I would have to die.

So why do people do it, Mum
Knowing that it ruins lives?
And now the pain is cutting me,
like a hundred stabbing knives.

Tell sister not to be afraid, Mum
Tell daddy to be brave.
And when I go to heaven,
put ' Mummy's Girl' on my grave.

Someone should have taught him,
That it's wrong to drink and drive.
Maybe if his parents had,
I'd still be alive.

My breath is getting shorter,
Mum I'm getting really scared
These are my final moments,
and I'm so unprepared.

I wish that you could hold me Mum,
As I lie here and die.
I wish that I could say, 'I love you,Mum!'
So I love you and good-bye.

[RD]

i agree with bucket, methodsboy loosen up a bit and have fun. You live life once and you experience VCE graduation once so why not make the most of it. Btw, there are people who'd rather enjoy their summer holidays having a good time, partying, drinking etc then doing extra extra work which is not even relevant since VCE has finished, unless your a psychopath. And this does not mean restrictive to schoolies, i mean going out in general.

children dont need to get 'wasted' to have fun in life. I for one dont agree with schoolies. As safe as police endeavour to make it, such a young- intoxicated crowd will not be fully contained.

QFT. I agree with doboman.

[dekoyl]

I went to a party,
And remembered what you said.
You told me not to drink, Mum,
so I had a sprite instead.
..

Wow.. just wow.


That situation isn't rare at all. You go and 'play it safe' but trouble still comes your way.

[hard]

i see were you are coming from doboman and i also agree but i'm not saying that getting wasted is the only way to have fun. The last sentence of my statement said that this is not "restrictive to schoolies" so even going out to the local pub or out with mates to a restaurant is just a way to have fun and escape the mindset that VCE has trapped you in. I believe that it is just a release factor. If you don't provoke you won't get what's coming to you but i must agree there are some unprovoked attacks. Although it is safe to say that at 18 you would have the capability of being able to avoid areas or situations were there is a clear sign or possible violence.
This is just my view and if you disagree than share and if not then keep inside.

[RD]

Although it is safe to say that at 18 you would have the capability of being able to avoid areas or situations

lol... some people don't have this capability.

[hard]

Although it is safe to say that at 18 you would have the capability of being able to avoid areas or situations

lol... some people don't have this capability.

hence they shouldn't go which is what excal was on about. You got to weigh the risks... are you capable of staying away from trouble, if yes then there is no reason to go. If no, then it is suggested you stay away and maybe head to the local bowling club or gaming arcade. Either way, it's the individuals choice to put themselves in such a situation. Others may be a bit more street smart than others.*

*by street smart i mean being able to place yourself in minimal risk and knowing were to and were not to go. NOT how strong you are compared to every one else or how fast your twin-turbo r34 can go.

[xox.happy1.xox]

Tell sister not to be afraid, Mum
Tell daddy to be brave.
And when I go to heaven,
put ' Mummy's Girl' on my grave.

If I died, I'm not sure how my family would take it. Not until I'm satisfied with life...

And dying like this... Just a waste of a life for someone who was doing the right thing.

[excal]

Although it is safe to say that at 18 you would have the capability of being able to avoid areas or situations

lol... some people don't have this capability.

hence they shouldn't go which is what excal was on about. You got to weigh the risks... are you capable of staying away from trouble, if yes then there is no reason to go. If no, then it is suggested you stay away and maybe head to the local bowling club or gaming arcade. Either way, it's the individuals choice to put themselves in such a situation. Others may be a bit more street smart than others.*

*by street smart i mean being able to place yourself in minimal risk and knowing were to and were not to go. NOT how strong you are compared to every one else or how fast your twin-turbo r34 can go.

'Street-smartness', or any other kind of smartness, is inversely proportional to amount of alcohol consumed against time.

[hard]

Although it is safe to say that at 18 you would have the capability of being able to avoid areas or situations

lol... some people don't have this capability.

hence they shouldn't go which is what excal was on about. You got to weigh the risks... are you capable of staying away from trouble, if yes then there is no reason to go. If no, then it is suggested you stay away and maybe head to the local bowling club or gaming arcade. Either way, it's the individuals choice to put themselves in such a situation. Others may be a bit more street smart than others.*

*by street smart i mean being able to place yourself in minimal risk and knowing were to and were not to go. NOT how strong you are compared to every one else or how fast your twin-turbo r34 can go.

'Street-smartness', or any other kind of smartness, is inversely proportional to amount of alcohol consumed against time.

yes but some know their limitations even when drunk as they are accustomed to it.

[excal]

Although it is safe to say that at 18 you would have the capability of being able to avoid areas or situations

lol... some people don't have this capability.

hence they shouldn't go which is what excal was on about. You got to weigh the risks... are you capable of staying away from trouble, if yes then there is no reason to go. If no, then it is suggested you stay away and maybe head to the local bowling club or gaming arcade. Either way, it's the individuals choice to put themselves in such a situation. Others may be a bit more street smart than others.*

*by street smart i mean being able to place yourself in minimal risk and knowing were to and were not to go. NOT how strong you are compared to every one else or how fast your twin-turbo r34 can go.

'Street-smartness', or any other kind of smartness, is inversely proportional to amount of alcohol consumed against time.

yes but some know their limitations even when drunk as they are accustomed to it.

I'd imagine it would be the first big night out for some, as well. Furthermore, the drinking 'atmosphere / culture' might induce some to drink more than they usually would. The compound the issue further, your level of intoxication depends on many variables other than how much you've drunk - your health, weight / fitness, recent food consumption etc.

The point is, you can't expect rationality when you're intoxicated, no matter how much.

[hard]

Although it is safe to say that at 18 you would have the capability of being able to avoid areas or situations

lol... some people don't have this capability.

hence they shouldn't go which is what excal was on about. You got to weigh the risks... are you capable of staying away from trouble, if yes then there is no reason to go. If no, then it is suggested you stay away and maybe head to the local bowling club or gaming arcade. Either way, it's the individuals choice to put themselves in such a situation. Others may be a bit more street smart than others.*

*by street smart i mean being able to place yourself in minimal risk and knowing were to and were not to go. NOT how strong you are compared to every one else or how fast your twin-turbo r34 can go.

'Street-smartness', or any other kind of smartness, is inversely proportional to amount of alcohol consumed against time.

yes but some know their limitations even when drunk as they are accustomed to it.

I'd imagine it would be the first big night out for some, as well. Furthermore, the drinking 'atmosphere / culture' might induce some to drink more than they usually would. The compound the issue further, your level of intoxication depends on many variables other than how much you've drunk - your health, weight / fitness, recent food consumption etc.

The point is, you can't expect rationality when you're intoxicated, no matter how much.

correct, however the main point i'm trying to express is that it is up to the individual to assess the level of danger there is and how it can be prevented. If one believes that they will be easily influenced by the 'moment' then they shouldn't attend, simple as that.

[excal]

That's exactly what I said.

[excal]

I believe this so called "schoolies" if a preposterous idea.
I for one am not impressed from the lack of maturity that those former students show.
It's just another event where future rapists, wife-beaters and criminals have the excuse to show ludicrous behavior.

Your opinion implies that schoolies shouldn't be held for that reason. My opinion is that yours is stupid, and you need to stop be a cynical grandpa. You're supposed to be 17.

i agree with bucket, methodsboy loosen up a bit and have fun. You live life once and you experience VCE graduation once so why not make the most of it. Btw, there are people who'd rather enjoy their summer holidays having a good time, partying, drinking etc then doing extra extra work which is not even relevant since VCE has finished, unless your a psychopath. And this does not mean restrictive to schoolies, i mean going out in general.

Oh yes and for the record, methods boy try not to use language that just doesn't flow. It just gets annoying and does not sound smart at all.

that is all.

BTW, am I a psychopath because I was working on things after VCE was done, and didn't go to schoolies?

[kurrymuncher]

I heard there have been less arrests this year compared to other years. It sounds alright but I cant be bothered going to queensland