Israeli Gaza raid kills 180, wounds hundreds. I'm disgusted

[excal]

The civilians who were wounded and killed are regrettable losses in a time of war

regrettable losses? we are talking about humans here right?

You can't expect humane actions from them; let alone human rights... Whatever we argue about is pointless.

Palestine is ours !!

I lol'd at the last line.

it's funny how when it happens to people like palestinians, it's simply excepted as being normal. when it happenst o others, the shocks and cries of pain are spread worldwide.

I don't think the (Nazi) Germans cared about the losses during the Battle of Britain, or the Japanese caring about the losses in Darwin, or Americans about the losses in Iraq and Afghanistan. I could go on for days.

It's a matter of perspective. As brendan suggested, our opinions on a topic are based on our value set - which includes a loyalty to a country or countries among other things.

[dusty_girl1144]

Lol, AQ, it was the Palestinian authorities who said that of the 228 who died, 15 were civilians. Meaning 213 were hamas militants, which implies the attacks targeted Hamas strongholds. And yes, the civilian loss of life was certainly regrettable, but not desired.

Please get your facts straight before you next post.

LOL.
serıously theres no poınt arguıng thıs topıc wıth you.

Hate to break it to you, but this is a prime example of cowardice.

YOU and I know why.

I'm not too sure if enwiabe knows why, actually.

No poınt here onwards to argue thıs

See (a). Just admit that you're wrong rather than taking the (more embarrassing) route out. Unless, of course, you have new facts to refute those that have been presented already.

maybe he has his own belifes and interpretation of an article vs enwiabes interpretation?

and i dont think his at all a coward either.

[gfb]

The civilians who were wounded and killed are regrettable losses in a time of war

regrettable losses? we are talking about humans here right?

You can't expect humane actions from them; let alone human rights... Whatever we argue about is pointless.

Palestine is ours !!

I lol'd at the last line.

it's funny how when it happens to people like palestinians, it's simply excepted as being normal. when it happenst o others, the shocks and cries of pain are spread worldwide.

I don't think the (Nazi) Germans cared about the losses during the Battle of Britain, or the Japanese caring about the losses in Darwin, or Americans about the losses in Iraq and Afghanistan. I could go on for days.

It's a matter of perspective. As brendan suggested, our opinions on a topic are based on our value set - which includes a loyalty to a country or countries among other things.

And I LMFAO @ YOU, not just lol.

[humph]

it's funny how when it happens to people like palestinians, it's simply excepted as being normal. when it happenst o others, the shocks and cries of pain are spread worldwide.

I don't think the (Nazi) Germans cared about the losses during the Battle of Britain, or the Japanese caring about the losses in Darwin, or Americans about the losses in Iraq and Afghanistan. I could go on for days.

It's a matter of perspective. As brendan suggested, our opinions on a topic are based on our value set - which includes a loyalty to a country or countries among other things.

I find it quite interesting though because the Australian media definitely ought to have no vested interest in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Yet I can't help but feel that had the casualties been 200 or so Israeli troops and 15 Israeli civilians then the media reaction would be much more severe.

[excal]

it's funny how when it happens to people like palestinians, it's simply excepted as being normal. when it happenst o others, the shocks and cries of pain are spread worldwide.

I don't think the (Nazi) Germans cared about the losses during the Battle of Britain, or the Japanese caring about the losses in Darwin, or Americans about the losses in Iraq and Afghanistan. I could go on for days.

It's a matter of perspective. As brendan suggested, our opinions on a topic are based on our value set - which includes a loyalty to a country or countries among other things.

I find it quite interesting though because the Australian media definitely ought to have no vested interest in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Yet I can't help but feel that had the casualties been 200 or so Israeli troops and 15 Israeli civilians then the media reaction would be much more severe.

Unfortunately, editors in the Australia media inevitably have their own personal set of values and they often tend to creep into their writing, even under claims of journalistic objectivity. I would posit that because Israel is seen to be 'friendly' to the USA, the tendency would be to see Israel as a 'friend' (corollary to 'an enemy of my enemy is my friend').

[enwiabe]

Actually, The Age is centre-left so it generally has a pro-Palestine spin. Decidedly right-wing papers like The Australian and  the Herald Sun (although herald is a bit more centrist) tend to take a pro-Israel bias. Although, one can generally find bias on both sides in different articles from various newspapers.

$0.02

[humph]

Actually, The Age is centre-left so it generally has a pro-Palestine spin. Decidedly right-wing papers like The Australian and  the Herald Sun (although herald is a bit more centrist) tend to take a pro-Israel bias. Although, one can generally find bias on both sides in different articles from various newspapers.

$0.02

Even so, I feel that somehow for all Australian media 225 dead Israelis would be bigger news than 225 dead Palestinians. Though I do agree with you that The Age often publishes articles with a larger focus from the Palestinian point of view than those other papers.

In any case, I hate reading about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict because it just seems too massive. It's pretty clear that there are going to have to be extremely significant changes in attitude on both sides before anything will ever be satisfactorily resolved. And some, but by no means all, of the issues that both sides raise seem to be, at times, equally valid. It's one of those issues that I feel I could never know enough about in order to have a stance that I would be able to adequately defend should someone disagree with me.

[brendan]

282 now

[enwiabe]

Well humph, it is a most complex and intricate situation. Psychologically, it stems back decades in the minds of both Israelis and Palestinians. The best we can hope for is an agreement between Israel and *Syria*. Syria (and Iran) tend to fund most of Hamas' activities. If they get their funding cut, there won't be any more mortar/rocket attacks -> No more Israeli incursions into gaza -> relative peace in the region.

[osmoister]

Actually, The Age is centre-left so it generally has a pro-Palestine spin. Decidedly right-wing papers like The Australian and  the Herald Sun (although herald is a bit more centrist) tend to take a pro-Israel bias. Although, one can generally find bias on both sides in different articles from various newspapers.

$0.02

i hate all forms of politics and media, you can never tell where their vested interest truly is. i also hate it when i hear news of this form, i doubt this conflict will ever end no matter how many civilians are killed.

[enwiabe]

Which is why you should do what I do. Go to all sources, the left wing, the right wing, the centre, the Arabic news agencies, the Israeli news agencies etc. And make sense of what seems feasible to you. See where they're sourcing info from and learn to pinpoint when you're being manipulated. There's no such thing as too much information.

[AQ]

The civilians who were wounded and killed are regrettable losses in a time of war

regrettable losses? we are talking about humans here right?

You can't expect humane actions from them; let alone human rights... Whatever we argue about is pointless.

Palestine is ours !!

Nice say GFB.
Theres obviously a 2 on 2 argue here.
Both know which side to take and no matter what we argue, its not going to come to a point were we both say; agree, yes, or your right.

Bu serefsizleri sikelim. lan osmoises, bisey deme.
gfb; osmoises bir turk genc.

[AQ]

Actually, The Age is centre-left so it generally has a pro-Palestine spin. Decidedly right-wing papers like The Australian and  the Herald Sun (although herald is a bit more centrist) tend to take a pro-Israel bias. Although, one can generally find bias on both sides in different articles from various newspapers.

$0.02

That my friend is a .................. LOAD OF SHIT.
Both anti-palestine and both are for Israel.
Only a idiot believes what the media has to say.
If you really knew the truth behind the media, then you would have a total different view.

[AQ]

regrettable losses? we are talking about humans here right?
[/quote]

You can't expect humane actions from them; let alone human rights... Whatever we argue about is pointless.

Palestine is ours !!
[/quote]

I lol'd at the last line.

it's funny how when it happens to people like palestinians, it's simply excepted as being normal. when it happenst o others, the shocks and cries of pain are spread worldwide.

I don't think the (Nazi) Germans cared about the losses during the Battle of Britain, or the Japanese caring about the losses in Darwin, or Americans about the losses in Iraq and Afghanistan. I could go on for days.

It's a matter of perspective. As brendan suggested, our opinions on a topic are based on our value set - which includes a loyalty to a country or countries among other things.

[/quote]

quote " I don't think the (Nazi) Germans cared about the losses during the Battle of Britain "

Don't you mean losses during the holocaust?
and yes, they didn't care at ALL!!

[AQ]

Which is why you should do what I do. Go to all sources, the left wing, the right wing, the centre, the Arabic news agencies, the Israeli news agencies etc. And make sense of what seems feasible to you. See where they're sourcing info from and learn to pinpoint when you're being manipulated. There's no such thing as too much information.

You read arabic news and still say its hamas fault for the casulties?
Arabic news would never in the F@#$en World blame it on Hamas and yet your saying you read arabic news?

Epic LMFAO^100 @ You.