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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #195 on: June 06, 2009, 05:24:37 pm »
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just a quick question.
Which of the these two are in the same homologous series as 1-chloropropane?

1-Chlorobutane

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1,1 Di-chloropropane.

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« Reply #196 on: June 06, 2009, 06:46:50 pm »
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just a quick question.
Which of the these two are in the same homologous series as 1-chloropropane?

1-Chlorobutane

OR

1,1 Di-chloropropane.

1-chlorobutane

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« Reply #197 on: June 07, 2009, 11:38:26 pm »
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Thank you !

Also . Is that hydrolysis or substitution or both?
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« Reply #198 on: June 07, 2009, 11:42:34 pm »
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Where did the Na come from O.o, did you mean HCl?

Personally, I'd say it was both as you are substituting a functional group and water is a reactant.
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« Reply #199 on: June 07, 2009, 11:47:46 pm »
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Where did the Na come from O.o, did you mean HCl?

Personally, I'd say it was both as you are substituting a functional group and water is a reactant.
LOL sorry, yeah it's HCl, =.=

Alright so both would be marked correct on the exam?
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« Reply #200 on: June 08, 2009, 12:00:54 am »
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You never know what VCAA will do -.-"

I guess it depends on what's the emphasis...put both down just incase? :P

Sorry if it doesn't clear up anything but this kinda stuff is hard (in a different sense)
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« Reply #201 on: June 08, 2009, 12:01:45 am »
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You never know what VCAA will do -.-"

I guess it depends on what's the emphasis...put both down just incase? :P

Sorry if it doesn't clear up anything but this kinda stuff is hard (in a different sense)
Alright cool thanks for the help. Let's see what Mao/chem-nerd has to say on this :P
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« Reply #202 on: June 08, 2009, 01:28:30 am »
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I thought hydration was when you add water over double bonds or summat

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« Reply #203 on: June 08, 2009, 10:53:15 am »
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oops, my bad. The reaction is NOT hydration (addition of water over a double/triple bond), and it is NOT hydrolysis (addition of water to break a molecule)

It is only substitution
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« Reply #204 on: June 08, 2009, 10:59:42 am »
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Thank you !

Also . Is that hydrolysis or substitution or both?

hmm, don't forget that this reaction would require a catalyst, it would be more usual to react chloroethane with NaOH/KOH

it would be safer to classify it as a substitution reaction (although it is also a hydrolysis reaction)

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« Reply #205 on: June 08, 2009, 08:21:49 pm »
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Thank you !

Also . Is that hydrolysis or substitution or both?

hmm, don't forget that this reaction would require a catalyst, it would be more usual to react chloroethane with NaOH/KOH

it would be safer to classify it as a substitution reaction (although it is also a hydrolysis reaction)

Ah thanks, what catalyst would be suitable for this reaction?
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« Reply #206 on: June 08, 2009, 08:59:50 pm »
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if i am not wrong, boiling it would do

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« Reply #207 on: June 08, 2009, 09:14:46 pm »
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Thank you !

Also . Is that hydrolysis or substitution or both?

hmm, don't forget that this reaction would require a catalyst, it would be more usual to react chloroethane with NaOH/KOH

it would be safer to classify it as a substitution reaction (although it is also a hydrolysis reaction)

Ah thanks, what catalyst would be suitable for this reaction?
Usually isn't the catalyst just H+ so it is in an acidic environment?

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« Reply #208 on: June 08, 2009, 09:56:57 pm »
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for ethene + water -> ethanol you need an acidic environment and high temp (usually H3PO4 and 300C)

for chloroethane + water -> ethanol usually is done with either NaOH or KOH
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« Reply #209 on: June 08, 2009, 10:05:13 pm »
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Other reactions requiring acidic environment: condensation/esterification
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