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« Reply #210 on: June 08, 2009, 10:07:37 pm »
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for ethene + water -> ethanol you need an acidic environment and high temp (usually H3PO4 and 300C)

for chloroethane + water -> ethanol usually is done with either NaOH or KOH

Alright cool thanks guys. So just putting NaOH over the top of the reaction arrow will do?
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« Reply #211 on: June 08, 2009, 10:12:11 pm »
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for ethene + water -> ethanol you need an acidic environment and high temp (usually H3PO4 and 300C)

for chloroethane + water -> ethanol usually is done with either NaOH or KOH

Alright cool thanks guys. So just putting NaOH over the top of the reaction arrow will do?

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« Reply #212 on: July 02, 2009, 05:55:14 pm »
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Thanks ^^^^

How much exactly do we have to know about chemical industry? There seems to be a great deal of info in the Heinemann book, but I think some of it is just there for decoration. What are the main points we have to know (memorise)?
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« Reply #213 on: July 02, 2009, 09:14:34 pm »
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yeah could someone clarify this please
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« Reply #214 on: July 03, 2009, 10:15:01 am »
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Thanks ^^^^

How much exactly do we have to know about chemical industry? There seems to be a great deal of info in the Heinemann book, but I think some of it is just there for decoration. What are the main points we have to know (memorise)?

Yeah was confused on this too. Heinemann goes all-out on chemical industry, Nelson is a bit more conservative. From the SD I got the impression that you just need to know the basics about waste management and risk management but more importantly need to apply this to your chosen chemical. That's also the impression given from last year's end-of-year exam. So all that stuff about the different types of chemists involved (research, analytical etc.) and the stages in production and how you have to make a pilot plant and stuff seems like a lot of nice embellishment.
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« Reply #215 on: July 03, 2009, 03:04:55 pm »
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Thanks ^^^^

How much exactly do we have to know about chemical industry? There seems to be a great deal of info in the Heinemann book, but I think some of it is just there for decoration. What are the main points we have to know (memorise)?

Yeah was confused on this too. Heinemann goes all-out on chemical industry, Nelson is a bit more conservative. From the SD I got the impression that you just need to know the basics about waste management and risk management but more importantly need to apply this to your chosen chemical. That's also the impression given from last year's end-of-year exam. So all that stuff about the different types of chemists involved (research, analytical etc.) and the stages in production and how you have to make a pilot plant and stuff seems like a lot of nice embellishment.
Cool thanks NE2000
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« Reply #216 on: July 04, 2009, 01:02:44 am »
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A stupid question.

The "reaction" (not really reaction because it just ionises) between NaOH and is

So then does that mean when HCl ionises in water can also be written as ?

Which is the same as

because the hydronium ion is the same as and water is the solvent and is represented by (aq)
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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #217 on: July 04, 2009, 09:56:07 am »
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Sodium hydroxide doesn't need to react with water, it dissociates by itself.
Hydrochloric acid, however, reacts with water and gives the hydronium ion.

Bases that are not hydroxides, such as ammonia, reacts with water:

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« Reply #218 on: July 04, 2009, 02:50:03 pm »
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Sodium hydroxide doesn't need to react with water, it dissociates by itself.
Hydrochloric acid, however, reacts with water and gives the hydronium ion.

Bases that are not hydroxides, such as ammonia, reacts with water:


Ah cool thanks.
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« Reply #219 on: July 17, 2009, 07:13:05 pm »
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1. The following equilibrium is established when solutions of and are mixed.



is colourless. is colourless. is deep red.

The solution is diluted with an equal volume of water. The colour becomes paler red, the addition of the water has caused "concentration and the number of moles of to decrease.

[The bolded is the answer]

Now I understand this perfectly but it's just when I start to think more deeply (and perhaps more than I need to) that I get confused.

First is adding water will dilute the solution hence concentration of the entire solution decreases but shouldn't the system NOT partially oppose this change? Because the left hand side has 2 molecules but can't the right hand side also be considered to have 2 molecules? Since is in (aq) it is the same as saying (aq) and (aq)? [Just like how in water (aq) is the same as (aq) (aq) but it is just we are lazy so we don't need to write them separately?] So since there are the same number of molecules, the system would do nothing to oppose the change?

Secondly, how does the mole of decrease? I know the concentration decreases because the solution is diluted by adding more water. So let be the respective mol, concentration and volume of when the water is not added. Now let be the respective mol, concentration and volume of when the water is added.
Looking , the concentration is a number and is the initial volume which again is a number, but once the water is added decreases to and increases to , so how do you determine whether now is smaller than or larger? You don't know how much decrease or increased so you can't find out whether the final mol is larger or smaller than the original?

2. Oxygen reacts with haemoglobin in the lungs to form a complex. This complex is moved around the body to take oxygen to the tissues. The equilibrium reaction is represented by (haemoglobin) . Low concentrations of carbon monoxide is poisonous. It reacts with haemoglobin and thus prevents oxygen from being carried around the body. The body is deprived of oxygen. The equation that best represents this poisoning is?
[the answer]

But how does that make sense? The reaction [] means that more is produced hence the reaction [(haemoglobin) ]  should shift right (ie more is produced), this is the way that the system partially opposes the change (by reducing the amount of ), however this is still PARTIALLY opposing the change, the amount of at equilibrium should be higher than the at the original equilibrium so how is the body deprived of oxygen?

I thought the reaction would be ? Why isn't this reaction the right answer?

3. Consider the following reaction at equilibrium.

, = negative

For a particular equilibirum mixture the temperature is lowered and the amount of changes by 0.01 mol. The changes occuring would be? : decrease by 0.01 mol. : increase by 0.015 mol. : increase by 0.005 mol (answer)

I understand how to do this question but as I think again I dono why this way doesn't work.

Let the initial mol of at the equilibrium before the temperature was lowered be 2 mol.

So as temperature is lowered the reaction would favour the forward reaction -> more and are formed.

But if I use the mol ratios... mol. However this is a decrease of 0.015 mol not an increase?




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« Reply #220 on: July 17, 2009, 07:49:16 pm »
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2. Oxygen reacts with haemoglobin in the lungs to form a complex. This complex is moved around the body to take oxygen to the tissues. The equilibrium reaction is represented by (haemoglobin) . Low concentrations of carbon monoxide is poisonous. It reacts with haemoglobin and thus prevents oxygen from being carried around the body. The body is deprived of oxygen. The equation that best represents this poisoning is?
[the answer]

But how does that make sense? The reaction [] means that more is produced hence the reaction [(haemoglobin) ]  should shift right (ie more is produced), this is the way that the system partially opposes the change (by reducing the amount of ), however this is still PARTIALLY opposing the change, the amount of at equilibrium should be higher than the at the original equilibrium so how is the body deprived of oxygen?

I thought the reaction would be ? Why isn't this reaction the right answer?


When I saw this question, I didnt really think about it that way  :o

The correct equation is basically saying that when carbon monoxide and haemoglobin (carrying oxygen) mix, the haemoglobin dumps the oxygen and takes carbon monoxide in preference, so they swap positions. The oxygen doesn't get carried around and so cannot reach other parts of the body that need it.

The amount of is higher using those deductions but just because it's higher, doesn't mean it's ok. It's just free-floating, it needs to be transported by the haemoglobin to be useful, so it needs to be in the form of

I guess the question didnt mention that it takes it in preference but perhaps this is one of those "i just know it" questions



3. Consider the following reaction at equilibrium.

, = negative

For a particular equilibirum mixture the temperature is lowered and the amount of changes by 0.01 mol. The changes occuring would be? : decrease by 0.01 mol. : increase by 0.015 mol. : increase by 0.005 mol (answer)

I understand how to do this question but as I think again I dono why this way doesn't work.

Let the initial mol of at the equilibrium before the temperature was lowered be 2 mol.

So as temperature is lowered the reaction would favour the forward reaction -> more and are formed.

But if I use the mol ratios... mol. However this is a decrease of 0.015 mol not an increase?


Well we know that the 0.010mol hasn't just disappeared and has been 'transferred' over to the products..

Your calculation is based on the fact that if you take away reactant, you produce less products which is true except you aren't taking away anything from the system, you're just 'transferring' it? So this equation isn't appropriate to use in this case



Your explanations really get me thinking as well and i don't know if I've contradicted myself or anything :P
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Re: TrueTears question thread
« Reply #221 on: July 17, 2009, 07:55:58 pm »
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3.)

You used this too naively:


That equation refers to the magnitude of change. If you want to take into account the nature of the change ie: increase/decrease then you must decide that for yourself. Taking change into account:



You assumed increases and yet concluded that it decreases. A contradiction.
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« Reply #222 on: July 17, 2009, 08:10:35 pm »
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Ahhh much clearer now thanks all!!!
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« Reply #223 on: July 18, 2009, 02:46:51 am »
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I know I've asked this before and seen it around but what is the exact definition/characteristics (and provide an example) of a dehydration reaction and a hydration reaction?

Many thanks!

EDIT: More importantly how can you tell if a reaction is a dehydration reaction or hydration reaction?
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« Reply #224 on: July 19, 2009, 06:43:02 pm »
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 X + 3Y -> 2Z
 you begin with 1 mol of X 3 mol of Y and no Z
 now the first equilibrium it gets to is
 0.7 mol of X 2.1 mol of Y but only 0.6 mol of Z
 temperature is constant. the K value is clearly (0.6^2)/(0.7 * 2.1^3)
 if the pressure is increased [meaning forward reaction is favoured] at the new equilibrium reached, obviously the K value stays the same, but does the ratio of X:Y:Z still stay the same?
 or how about just X:Y?
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