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Archived Discussion => UMAT => Results Discussion => Victoria => 2008 => Topic started by: bec on October 20, 2008, 07:14:34 pm
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Who got them!?
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*hand up*
hurrah :]
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congrats shina
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/me crosses fingers for the IRC crew
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wheeeeeee I got one! Insanely happy when I saw the envelope, I was so sure that I wouldn't get one!
:D My interview is on 2nd December at 9am.
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wheeeeeee I got one! Insanely happy when I saw the envelope, I was so sure that I wouldn't get one!
I thought you'd get one, and am happy that you did :)
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Pocky, I told you you'd get it. Have more confidence in your abilities plz :)
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wheeeeeee I got one! Insanely happy when I saw the envelope, I was so sure that I wouldn't get one!
:D My interview is on 2nd December at 9am.
congrats!
so much for the whinging yesterday.../me coughs loudly
=D
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Does anyone know what percentile the cutoff was this year?
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Doesn't mention the cut-off in letter, but the lowest I personally know of is 93 so far...Supposedly it was the top 500 that applied.
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I read somewhere else that iwas 98, which seemed quite high, it should say on the letter what the overall score cutoff was, i think i heard 61
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My careers councilor said it was 91.
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Definitely not 98, I know of a 93 and a 96, which means the overall score cutoff will be lower than 61 I think. 91 sounds about right?
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So the Melbourne Model didn't have the effects on cut-off some supposed it would have (if the overall score cut-off is lower than 61 that is, I think it was mentioned that last year's was 59?)
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So the Melbourne Model didn't have the effects on cut-off some supposed it would have (if the overall score cut-off is lower than 61 that is, I think it was mentioned that last year's was 59?)
It did; 500 interviews as opposed to usual ~700? Increase of even 2 marks overall in UMAT is plenty high.
From what I know, cutoff was 61 this year for non-rural/special consideration etc.
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Nah, the jump to 61 wasn't because of the melbourne model, it was because monash cut number of interviews. Monash got the same amount of applications that it would have had there been no melbourne model.
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I would argue a balance of both
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I'd say it wouldn't have any effect AT THIS STAGE. Those who would've previously applied at Melbourne would obviously have also applied for Monash, so there's no difference. The only difference now is that once the offers are out, there's less people passing up their Monash offers for something else (i.e. Melbourne), so of course the end result is that higher UMATs, interview performances and ENTERs may be needed.
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Yeah shinjitsu, that's where the sweeping effect will be. First round offer requirements will go up epically because no-one will have UoM first preferences.
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My friend was so cut this afternoon! Her brother told her she didn't get in, and she instantly gave up on Medicine. I was more disappointed than she was, because I think she was one of the only few people from my school who could actually get a decent job. :(
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I'd say it wouldn't have any effect AT THIS STAGE. Those who would've previously applied at Melbourne would obviously have also applied for Monash, so there's no difference. The only difference now is that once the offers are out, there's less people passing up their Monash offers for something else (i.e. Melbourne), so of course the end result is that higher UMATs, interview performances and ENTERs may be needed.
Which would be the reason that they cut interview numbers - they would expect less reneging on offers to UoM.
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I'd say it wouldn't have any effect AT THIS STAGE. Those who would've previously applied at Melbourne would obviously have also applied for Monash, so there's no difference. The only difference now is that once the offers are out, there's less people passing up their Monash offers for something else (i.e. Melbourne), so of course the end result is that higher UMATs, interview performances and ENTERs may be needed.
Which would be the reason that they cut interview numbers - they would expect less reneging on offers to UoM.
Yeah, makes sense...
Here's hoping that an emergency meeting between the Chancellor and Vice-Chancellor at UoM results in immediate discontinuation of the Melbourne Model from 2010 (I think its too late for all you class of 08 people :P)
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Here's hoping that an emergency meeting between the Chancellor and Vice-Chancellor at UoM results in immediate discontinuation of the Melbourne Model from 2010 (I think its too late for all you class of 08 people :P)
Aww... I wanted to do Law at UoM ):
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Here's hoping that an emergency meeting between the Chancellor and Vice-Chancellor at UoM results in immediate discontinuation of the Melbourne Model from 2010 (I think its too late for all you class of 08 people :P)
Aww... I wanted to do Law at UoM ):
You can, but as a postgrad.
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But apparently it costs more, and I can't afford to spent too much money? :P
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But apparently it costs more, and I can't afford to spent too much money? :P
FEE-HELP will help you =]
and once you graduate and start earning good money, the debt shouldn't be too much of a problem :P
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There is also Melbourne Access scholarships for graduates. They may decrease your HECS liability if you get selected :)
Or alternatively, grab a deferred loan from a bank. Ask for payments to be deferred in 3 years time (which should land you a job by then) so you can pay it off. [it's inadvisable to select a interest-only loan though lol] :)
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FEE-HELP will help you =]
and once you graduate and start earning good money, the debt shouldn't be too much of a problem :P
If the course costs the same as Monash, FEE-HELP will only cover about half of it
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i got an interview but its in bendigo, i did apply for the rural access scheme (or whatever they decide to call it), does this mean they are considering lower umat scores for this already? even before enter and interview?
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i know i am one of the lower umat scores accepted for interview and i will probably have one of the lower enters (probably realistically 97-98.5) but i think i could interview quite well.
what type of impact does this have on my selection?
thanks.
ham
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I could be wrong, but i beleive that means you have an interview for the ERC scheme
That's where i did mine
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Congrats 2 every1 who received offers!! ^_^
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You can all prevent my death when I am obese from eating too much. Nah, I am proud of each and every one of you! :)
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You can all prevent my death when I am obese from eating too much. Nah, I am proud of each and every one of you! :)
Ha ha!!
I hope I don't get fat :-X
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hmm...
just to let you guys know, i got my rejection letter a few days ago.
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Awww... :(
*big squishy hugs 4 glock*
DW, there's always another way *sneaky eyes*
How much money do we have for 'university contributions'? ;)
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Aww... *joins the hug with Glockmeister and Jess*... It was hard anyways...
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Dont worry. I got my rejection letter too!
Not that I was expecting a letter at all . *curses UMAT*
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Why don't they accept more people? Is it only Monash that offers interviews?
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can i just ask... if u didnt recieve an interview does that mean u cant do med? at monash anyway...
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Yeh, unfortuately it does
They only do 500 interviews now, but monash med was a top 3 preference on 4500 applications so they are very hard to come by
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u can do science or biomedical science then sit the gamsat and try get into postgraduate medicine at monash gippsland.
i missed out on interview by 2 points for monash and didnt apply anywhere else (needed 61 but got 59) so im planning on doing biomed at melb for 3 years then gamsat and doing postgrad med at melb or interstate. i think ill have more luck with gamsat than umat and the course at melb will likely be more solid than whats currently offered at monash.
When you say 'more solid' is that because overall the melbourne course is two years longer or because of specific subjects/options in the melb course that do not exist at monash?
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Hopeless in practical situations?
We learn clinical skills from day one
Melbourne kids are lucky to have given a patient an injection until year 3
Besides all medical courses are AMA accredited, so no graduated student, of any university is likely to be hopeless
The course is no more "solid" than any other in the country really, each course has a different focus, but you're gonna come ou of it with the same qualifications
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Hopeless in practical situations?
We learn clinical skills from day one
Melbourne kids are lucky to have given a patient an injection until year 3
Besides all medical courses are AMA accredited, so no graduated student, of any university is likely to be hopeless
The course is no more "solid" than any other in the country really, each course has a different focus, but you're gonna come ou of it with the same qualifications
At the end of the day, you're gonna be a doctor.
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Hopeless in practical situations?
We learn clinical skills from day one
Melbourne kids are lucky to have given a patient an injection until year 3
Besides all medical courses are AMA accredited, so no graduated student, of any university is likely to be hopeless
The course is no more "solid" than any other in the country really, each course has a different focus, but you're gonna come ou of it with the same qualifications
At the end of the day, you're gonna be a doctor.
Hear, hear.
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I thought post-grad med would have even less practical experience o.O The undergrad biomed is purely theory isn't it? Then once you move on to the post-grad course, it's even shorter than the usual course, and guess where the lost years come from? Practical. Feel free to challenge this though; this is just what I remember from the top of my head/first impressions. I haven't done much research.
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I don't think they've even finalised the course yet have they?
It'd make more sense for them to have LESS science in the post-grad course at Melbourne considering it has science prerequisites (which no other uni does).
But seriously, they're all accredited. A good course is the one that lets you in...
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dont shoot the messenger...
of course no grad student is hopeless and of course all the qualifications are the same but that doesnt mean all courses are equal. i was talking about the 3rd years etc that are placed in hospitals
all im saying is that postgrad medicine seems like a better option than undergraduate medicine, but as they say, there is no accounting for taste
That makes even less sense
Melbourne and monash students are at different hospitals during all university years and the the only hospital in the state where they would have the same placement is Bendigo
Trust me, i'd have the same objections if someone came on here and said melbourne's new course will be complete inferior to monash's, it's unfounded, and some of the doctors who comment on them usually have no idea as they aren't involved in undergraduate education. But what you've said makes no sense, practical-based education is strong focal point of the monash cirriculum, and ive heard every criticism of medical students under the sun, but practical based compentence is not one really
I'm in the course, so i'm not terribly fussed, but on this very thread there are people who have received interviews for the course and are really excited about their opportunity, it seems strange that only a couple of weeks ago that you were keen to get into the same course, but now you don't care, because it's not as good as UoM anyway
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once you get into a uni course, no one cares about your enter score
once you get into a job, no one cares what university you went to.
-if you really want to enter the field of medicine you would take whatever uni offered you a place. i am very grateful to have gotten an interview and happy that i have gotten this far.
if you like what you do it shouldn't make a difference.
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once you get into a uni course, no one cares about your enter score
once you get into a job, no one cares what university you went to.
So ridiculously spot on it's... erm... ridiculous XD
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12 years at uni?
What on earth are you on about
The selection of intern is unlike a normal job application, it is a computer matched system based on a student's and a hospital's preference. Your references are far more important to a hospital than your university
I could spend all day with you trading barbs over undergrad vd. grad, monash vs melb, becuase i've heard them all too. The most important thing is i realise that it's all complete crap made up by people who have their own self interest . .or bitterness
Good doctors/students are not held back by stereotypes, that is not held by alot in medical the profession really
Doctors do work at different hospitals, yes, but those hospitals are more likely to be in the same health group, like southern or melbourne health. A university is typically attached to the same hospital in the same group, and there are fewer doctors who work with both sets of students for a reasonable amount of time to arbitrarily decide that one group is better than another, its just assumption, usually based on a small number of students
You have't spoken to students in the new melbourne course because it doesn't exist yet and not all details been finalised yet, they are likely to be quite similar, yes, but then again, they might not
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whether i should resit the umat or i should try the postgrad route (which takes longer)
Why not both?
IIRC you can sit UMAT while in an undergrad course. Then if you do well enough you could transfer to med.
also, no need to get into a bitchfight; it's perfectly possible to make your point without veiled insults.
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I have not shown my alliegance at all really
You just seem to be misguided and ill-informed, and why would i be bitter, i'm in the course
I don't put any importance on where the degree comes from because i know that there are more important factors, like all my coursemates do
Say something legitimate and i will consider it, but i think you'll find that people find my opinion to be far more balanced than your own. You simply came out and said that monash students are hopeless
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whether i should resit the umat or i should try the postgrad route (which takes longer)
Why not both?
IIRC you can sit UMAT while in an undergrad course. Then if you do well enough you could transfer to med.
also, no need to get into a bitchfight; it's perfectly possible to make your point without veiled insults.
Yeh, you're right, i don't mean to be insulting, but i've had to put up with alot of same crap lately
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i did not come out and say monash students are hopeless - that was a direct quote from a doctor i spoke to who deals directly with monash students and has been involved with students from numerous overseas universities.
i may have formed views that are unbalanced, and i may be misguided and ill informed but you have done little to counter my misinformation
That's just someones opinion! How about if we went and spoke to 10 doctors and they said Monash doctors were brilliant. Does that make it true? No! It's just an opinion. If you're so easily swayed by an opinion than I fear for your future (in all respects)
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From acer's umat info booklet:
UMAT is available to any candidate whose educational level at
the time of sitting the test is final year of secondary schooling
or higher.
I could well be wrong though, since this is kinda irrelevant to me.
From some of what I've read (again take it with a pinch of salt), some unis accept limited transfers, and most unis accept nonstandards. Both these don't apply to Monash in particular though.
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of course no grad student is hopeless and of course all the qualifications are the same but that doesnt mean all courses are equal.
That's just someones opinion! How about if we went and spoke to 10 doctors and they said Monash doctors were brilliant. Does that make it true? No! It's just an opinion. If you're so easily swayed by an opinion than I fear for your future (in all respects)
You're being too harsh, it's a good thing that gonzo is getting out there and attempting to find the course that suits him best.
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hey guys.....any1 get a monash physio offer 2day?
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1. you can't be in an undergraduate course and sit the umat. you accept an offer for a tertiary course but must defer your studies and not have actually started uni in order to sit the umat. as soon as you start uni you basically rule out undergrad med. im pretty sure you cant transfer.
before i self destruct: i did not come out and say monash students are hopeless - that was a direct quote from a doctor i spoke to who deals directly with monash students and has been involved with students from numerous overseas universities.
i may have formed views that are unbalanced, and i may be misguided and ill informed but you have done little to counter my misinformation
You can sit the UMAT even whilst studying a teritary course as some undergrad unis will consider people with a teritary history (Monash does not).
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Yeh, Newcastle or UTAS would be good options to look at for transfers
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hey guys.....any1 get a monash physio offer 2day?
yehh i got a monash physio interview offer. hopefully i can get over 25 in methods to make the pre-req at least though lol. i wish i was better at methods. itd make things so much easier.
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hey guys.....any1 get a monash physio offer 2day?
yehh i got a monash physio interview offer. hopefully i can get over 25 in methods to make the pre-req at least though lol. i wish i was better at methods. itd make things so much easier.
Lol, join the club! :)
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hey guys.....any1 get a monash physio offer 2day?
yehh i got a monash physio interview offer. hopefully i can get over 25 in methods to make the pre-req at least though lol. i wish i was better at methods. itd make things so much easier.
Lol, join the club! :)
Ha ha, every1 wishes they were better @ methods! XD
Methods = Fyrefly's 2nd worst subject.
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hey guys.....any1 get a monash physio offer 2day?
yehh i got a monash physio interview offer. hopefully i can get over 25 in methods to make the pre-req at least though lol. i wish i was better at methods. itd make things so much easier.
Lol, join the club! :)
Ha ha, every1 wishes they were better @ methods! XD
Methods = Fyrefly's 2nd worst subject.
Yay! Me too! Of course, Specialist is twice as hard as Methods, and 3 times as hard as Further. :)
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hey guys.....any1 get a monash physio offer 2day?
yehh i got a monash physio interview offer. hopefully i can get over 25 in methods to make the pre-req at least though lol. i wish i was better at methods. itd make things so much easier.
Lol, join the club! :)
Ha ha, every1 wishes they were better @ methods! XD
Methods = Fyrefly's 2nd worst subject.
Yay! Me too! Of course, Specialist is twice as hard as Methods, and 3 times as hard as Further. :)
Lol, so tru ...not hard 2 guess which was my worst subbie, huh? XD
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OK... does anyone know what happens if u put down for performing arts??
Do you do an interview then your day of workshops... before your accepted??
And then if your doing a bachelor of arts you do them after your accepted??
Can someone please confirm this
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Hopeless in practical situations?
We learn clinical skills from day one
Melbourne kids are lucky to have given a patient an injection until year 3
Besides all medical courses are AMA accredited, so no graduated student, of any university is likely to be hopeless
The course is no more "solid" than any other in the country really, each course has a different focus, but you're gonna come ou of it with the same qualifications
At the end of the day, you're gonna be a doctor.
That's interesting coz at the Melbourne Open Day they were telling us about how they're trying to get the Graduate Professional Degree for Med to be the equivalent of an M.D. rather than the old M.B.B.S.
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Yeh, the new melbourne course will award the MD
But i really don't think that means anything in the grand scheme of things
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wheeeeeee I got one! Insanely happy when I saw the envelope, I was so sure that I wouldn't get one!
:D My interview is on 2nd December at 9am.
lol you got 99.95 and your sure you wouldnt get one
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99.95 does not guarantee entry. Medicine at Monash selects based on ENTER, UMAT and the interview equally (33% weighting to each.)