Mother of 5 to be hanged for insulting Muhammed

[Chavi]

To be a Christian or another religious minority, or even a Muslim of the wrong description, may be to live a life of fear, danger and constant, systemic discrimination in Pakistan (e.g. Ahmadis).

Sorry, as someone who has been to Pakistan 6 times. This is completely false. I have many non-muslim friends in Pakistan who are living very peacefully. Yes, of course there is some discrimination, but there is also in Australia/India. Take slum dog millionaire for example, Jamal's mother was murdered because she was muslim? This doesn't just happen in Pakistan.

This is a logical fallacy. I am an Australian. Can I safely say that there is no discrimination against Aborigines whatsoever? no. Can I exist everywhere in Australia at once to conclusively say that there is absolutely no discrimination whatsoever? no. The fact that I have Aussie citizenship doesn't give me any more legitimacy to claim this than a Swede who has never visited.

The point is, that even if you lived in Pakistan all of your life, you can't conclusively say there is no discrimination. Live as a Christian there for 80 years, and then tell me. I don't doubt that you have had many positive experiences in Pakistan. But clearly the discrimination against minority groups is widespread enough to make headlines.

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Secular state for the win. If Australia ever embraces religious law I'm out of here.

Personal faith is perfectly fine but religion and law do not fucking mix.

[QuantumJG]

Secular state for the win. If Australia ever embraces religious law I'm out of here.

Personal faith is perfectly fine but religion and law do not fucking mix.

Definitely.

Regligion isn't really helping it's case, some things people do in the name of 'religion' is seriously fucked up.

[Kotza]

" If Australia ever embraces religious law I'm out of here."



Lol dude in Dandenong the public pools enforced an ISLAMIC policy during Ramadan. Women had to cover up all skin between 8am and 6pm... a guy with a muslim wife who lives in Dandy told me last night at work, i couldnt believe it... made me sick.

An Islamic law was successfully enforced in AUSTRALIA... shits gone wack man!!!!

[samiira]

Lol dude in Dandenong the public pools enforced an ISLAMIC policy during Ramadan. Women had to cover up all skin between 8am and 6pm... a guy with a muslim wife who lives in Dandy told me last night at work, i couldnt believe it... made me sick.

Regarding this. Its not al of the skin thats to be covered  they are required 'to cover their torsos, extending to the upper arms and from waist to knee.' (http://dandenong-leader.whereilive.com.au/news/story/dandenong-oasis-tells-swimmers-to-cover-up/).

It is not between 8am -6pm. In fact it only goes for 2hrs (6.15pm to 8.15pm on Sundays) out of the 168 hrs u have in a week and it is only for one month out of thewhole year. So that basically equates to 8 hours a year. (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/cover-up-for-pool-event-during-next-years-ramadan/story-e6frf7kx-1225924291675)

Although i dnno if this restriction is right. My preference would be that no dress code should be stipulated

[MuggedByReality]

    They should have to hire out the pool if they want any privileges not accorded to normal pool users.

[stonecold]

    They should have to hire out the pool if they want any privileges not accorded to normal pool users.

I agree.  I find this highly offensive.

[QuantumJG]

" If Australia ever embraces religious law I'm out of here."



Lol dude in Dandenong the public pools enforced an ISLAMIC policy during Ramadan. Women had to cover up all skin between 8am and 6pm... a guy with a muslim wife who lives in Dandy told me last night at work, i couldnt believe it... made me sick.

An Islamic law was successfully enforced in AUSTRALIA... shits gone wack man!!!!

Ramadan is an Islamic ritual, hence ONLY Islamic people should follow it. To force someone to participate in this ritual (regardless of their religion or non-religion) means you do not respect those people.

Having said that, if you read the articles provided by samiira. You will find that a lot of the Muslims don't like this at all.

[Assyrian]

so much ignorance in this thread,
sharia law can coexist peacefully with secular law. The empirical evidence shows, agian and again, that crimes rates are lowest in sharia law districts, but this is not to suggest that non-muslims must have sharia imposed on them, they will be permitted to drink alcohol, and worship their own religion, they have their rights.

[superstar1]

i agree with Assyrian Shariah law districts do have the lowest crime rates and according to the book "islam and christianity today" هف سشغس "I am not a Muslim in the usual sense, though I hope I am a "Muslim" as "one surrendered to God," but I believe that embedded in the Quran and other expressions of the Islamic vision are vast stores of divine truth from which I and other occidentals have still much to learn, and "Islam is certainly a strong contender for the supplying of the basic framework of the one religion of the future." the reason i posted this up is to show everyone hu is biased and blinded by the media to look at the beauty of this religion too. dont just sdtick on to a "supposed " fault look at how good it really is.

[Chavi]

I'm going to have to disagree with the two posts above me. If I were to go to live in a Muslim country, I would be considered a Kafir, a dhimmi and subjected to servitude under a religion that I don't believe in.

How do you explain the fact that 800,000 Jews were driven out of the Arab world in 1948 by Arab pogroms? How do you explain the mass exodus of Christians from the Middle east over the past 50 years? If empirical evidence shows anything, it's that if you're not Muslim and you live in a Muslim country, your life is in danger.

[MuggedByReality]

 Assyrian, are you referring to a system of sharia courts that operates within the jurisdiction of Australian law, like Beth Din for Jews, or do you mean an alternative to Australian jurisprudence?

[superstar1]

if u want to bring history y are u only talkin about wat muslims did. didnt u see the holocaust so many jews were killed was it the muslims hu did that too. no it wasnt and so there are these types of problems in all countries. however in general non-muslims are safe in muslim worlds. nothing will happen to u if you went to UAE. and maybe only u personally will feel that but you cannot generalise that all non-muslims in the world will feel unsafe in muslim countries.

[Chavi]

Other religious groups are not exempt from blame either. However, there is still a violent culture of discrimination in the Muslim world that doesn't exist to such an extent in the West.
You might tell me that the UAE, Morocco and Bahrain have a comparatively better human rights record than the rest of the Arab world. I agree with this.
It still does not alter the fact that Shiites are persecuted in Saudi Arabia, Yemen is a hotbead of extremism, Lebanon is practically falling apart under Hezbollah, Copts are being gunned down in Egypt, and Gaza has become a hotbed of Salafi extremism even beyond Hamas control.
It does not alter the fact that the Arab countries currently have the worst human rights record in the entire world - and the media largely ignore this, unless something drastic occurs like a suicide bombing.

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if u want to bring history y are u only talkin about wat muslims did. didnt u see the holocaust so many jews were killed was it the muslims hu did that too. no it wasnt and so there are these types of problems in all countries. however in general non-muslims are safe in muslim worlds. nothing will happen to u if you went to UAE. and maybe only u personally will feel that but you cannot generalise that all non-muslims in the world will feel unsafe in muslim countries.

I can imagine a woman walking down the street in an Islamic country who is not dressed 'modestly'. A man comes up to her, furious, and demands to know why she is dressing 'provocatively'.

She responds by saying that she is not a muslim.

"Oh that's fine, off you go then"