UoM General Chat

[Escobar]

Uhh I still have a recording for a subject from last Friday which hasn't appeared on the LMS. Should I be getting worried now? This week's recordings for the same subject are already uploaded lol.

this has been happening to everyone lol
im still waiting for 2 from thursday last week even though new ones have been uploaded
i sent a complaint and they responded saying they got a echo360 engineer from usa to come on site to try to recover the files
"We are unsure of the time frame for this reprocessing of recordings but hope to have all recordings published and available in the next 24-36 hours" this was sent to me tuesday morning

[96n_n]

yeah for friday's lecture, my subject hasn't been uploaded - same with the lectures today. this is honestly so frustrating TT_TT

[asianguy22]

So angry right now..

So i had some assessment due yesterday which i completed and submitted on time. I checked the LMS today and noticed the lecture for the particular subject i had assessment due for was finally up (last weeks lecture). In the lecture, the lecturer gave some tips on the assignment, and in doing so i realised i wasted my word count explaining things i didn't have to! very angry.

[Stick]

My missing lecture from last week is also now available. It looks like they've finally worked out the problem.

[mahler004]

Topical:

"I don't want to lecture you, but..." - Parkville Station

[vox nihili]

Topical:

"I don't want to lecture you, but..." - Parkville Station

Love this bit:

We know that students that come to lectures generally achieve higher grades in the course, which suggests that they learn more than absentees.

#fuckselectionbias

[dankfrank420]

Topical:

"I don't want to lecture you, but..." - Parkville Station

It's really not practical to travel 4 hours for 1 or 2 hours of lectures per day, very easy for someone who lives close to the uni to say turn up to each one..

[Orb]

It's really not practical to travel 4 hours for 1 or 2 hours of lectures per day, very easy for someone who lives close to the uni to say turn up to each one..

It isn't, but I guess that's probably something you could "try" to factor in when selecting uni's.

I know that, personally, one of the main reasons for opting for Melb > Monash was the insane 4hour+ travel times. I also know of people who live rural but still come 4 days a week (which is more than I do) for their lectures/tutes. If one wanted to be productive, the extra travel time could be used to study (revise flashcards on the train potentially?). Granted, the most i've experienced was around 3 and a half hours of travel time per day in high school, but I felt I coped with that quite solidly by just working a bit harder at home and the occasional reading on the bus (and you had to go to school every day back then).

[mahler004]

#fuckselectionbias

More generously, his point is more along the lines of "Conscientious, successful students attend lectures, and use the recordings for revision. If you want to be a conscientious, successful student, attend your lectures."

He's not a statistician anyway

It isn't, but I guess that's probably something you could "try" to factor in when selecting uni's.

I know that, personally, one of the main reasons for opting for Melb > Monash was the insane 4hour+ travel times. I also know of people who live rural but still come 4 days a week (which is more than I do) for their lectures/tutes. If one wanted to be productive, the extra travel time could be used to study (revise flashcards on the train potentially?). Granted, the most i've experienced was around 3 and a half hours of travel time per day in high school, but I felt I coped with that quite solidly by just working a bit harder at home and the occasional reading on the bus (and you had to go to school every day back then).

You've written what I would have written.

I think it's also worth remembering that reordered lectures are relatively recently (early 2000s) and their virtual ubiquity (alongside near-ubiqitiuos broadband access) is even more recent. It's still a process, and a lot of academics are going to be resistant to it simply because it's unfamiliar (plus it's demoralising as hell addressing an empty theatre).

Either way, the fact that lecture recordings can allow those to access an education that they may not have been able to otherwise access (if you live in the western suburbs, Melbourne is the closest uni anyway.) The fact that lecture recordings might enable those who can't otherwise attend a university to attend one is a very good thing.

I think his main, hidden, point is that a lot of people say they'll use recordings as a substitute for attending lectures, and don't do that, and then find themselves watching 36x4 lectures in SWOTVAC (I saw this far too many times when I was an undergrad). If you attend lectures, it forces you to engage with the content in the semester.  I'm not really sure if it's an academic's job to care about this, however.

[dankfrank420]

It isn't, but I guess that's probably something you could "try" to factor in when selecting uni's.

I know that, personally, one of the main reasons for opting for Melb > Monash was the insane 4hour+ travel times. I also know of people who live rural but still come 4 days a week (which is more than I do) for their lectures/tutes. If one wanted to be productive, the extra travel time could be used to study (revise flashcards on the train potentially?). Granted, the most i've experienced was around 3 and a half hours of travel time per day in high school, but I felt I coped with that quite solidly by just working a bit harder at home and the occasional reading on the bus (and you had to go to school every day back then).

For what it's worth, Melbourne Parkville is one of the closest universities to where I live. Monash is on the other side of the city, so If i went there a 5hr a day commute would not have been ideal.

Besides, I really don't think it's the universities business whether I rock up to lectures. As long as I pay my fees and go to required tutes, practicals etc then what does it matter?

[Russ]

Lecture capture is just a supplement, unfortunately. You didn't enrol into an online course where all lectures would be delivered online. The university records lectures because it's a good thing to have available but if the system temporarily breaks down, you're still expected to attend class in person rather than have them provide replacement recordings.

Also, saying that whether you attend lectures is no business of the university seems a little odd given they exist to teach you.

[asianguy22]

It's really not practical to travel 4 hours for 1 or 2 hours of lectures per day, very easy for someone who lives close to the uni to say turn up to each one..

This.

lmao at the people who live close to uni saying that you should attend lectures.
No worries, i'll travel 1-2 hours each way to uni to watch a 1 hour lecture. No worries at all.

[Edward Elric]

I like the freedom of choosing whether I want to go to the lectures or watch them online, its usually 50-50. When I can be bothered I'll go, if not I'll just watch it at home, except for of course the lectures without recordings. I don't think its anyone's business telling you whether you should attend the actual lectures, just do what you want. Its a free country lol.

[tashhhaaa]

This.

lmao at the people who live close to uni saying that you should attend lectures.
No worries, i'll travel 1-2 hours each way to uni to watch a 1 hour lecture. No worries at all.

this lol, sometimes I spend more time commuting than actually being at uni
Whether people rock up to lectures or not is their business but if lecture capture didn't exist I'd spend more time on PTV than I have contact hours

[lzxnl]

Also, we're adults for cry-sakes. Surely the university can trust people to make decisions for themselves? If they don't want to/can't turn up to class, that's their problem to deal with.