30 in spesh = hard?

[Greatness]

A lot of people think that specialist is a really hard subject and that getting a 30 is quite difficult: that is a common misconception.
The average specialist student really isn't that bright at all, so if you consider yourself to be "mathematically talented", then you should be able to get at least a 35 in specialist.

1) Specialist is hard.
2) Refer to 1)
3) 3/4 of the students in my cohort will get study scores less than 30. And 3/4 of those students are half decent at maths and work quite hard.
4) Ummm.... I would say a majority of the specialist cohort is made up of the most "mathematically talented" students.... . Why do you think the amount of marks you can lose in the specialist exams for the 40+ study scores is similar to methods? Because the competition is that bloody fierce.
5) Refer to 1)

No disrespect, but it seems that you think you can just walk into the course and get a 30 study score. I assure you with your attitude it will be hard. Respect the subject and the students who undertake it.

[Special At Specialist]

A lot of people think that specialist is a really hard subject and that getting a 30 is quite difficult: that is a common misconception.
The average specialist student really isn't that bright at all, so if you consider yourself to be "mathematically talented", then you should be able to get at least a 35 in specialist.

1) Specialist is hard.
2) Refer to 1)
3) 3/4 of the students in my cohort will get study scores less than 30. And 3/4 of those students are half decent at maths and work quite hard.
4) Ummm.... I would say a majority of the specialist cohort is made up of the most "mathematically talented" students.... . Why do you think the amount of marks you can lose in the specialist exams for the 40+ study scores is similar to methods? Because the competition is that bloody fierce.
5) Refer to 1)

No disrespect, but it seems that you think you can just walk into the course and get a 30 study score. I assure you with your attitude it will be hard. Respect the subject and the students who undertake it.

Most people are not good at maths. Most people find maths hard or boring and let's face it: they're just not cut out to be mathematicians.
Specialist is a subject for those who are good at maths and do not struggle so much to grasp basic concepts. Does that automatically make them "talented"? No. They might look good in the eyes of a further maths student or a year 9 student, but few of them have a true "talent" that is worthy of bragging about.

And yes, I do believe that anyone who actually puts effort into specialist has the potential to get a 30+ study score. The problem is that so many people have the same attitude as you: they assume that specialist is extremely hard and they practically give up before the year level has even started. Or they spend too much time on other subjects and not enough time on maths.

[Special At Specialist]

either you're a troll or an idiot
Everything is relative to other people.
If you use that logic, anyone who takes further (maybe 20000 students (very approx))
is an absolute genius, as they are the best at further out of a population of 7 billion
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I'm sure most other developed countries around the world have a maths class that is equivalent to our further maths class, so if you want to bring the numbers up then feel free to, though it won't have much affect on the ratios and percentages of people of a specific age.
And what I am saying is: you don't compare someone who plays chess to someone who doesn't. You compare one chess player to another, not one chess player to someone who doesn't know the rules.
Similarly, you compare someone who actually does maths homework to someone else. You don't compare a specialist maths student to someone who hates school, is only doing further maths and does no homework whatsoever. Otherwise, it's a pretty poor comparison and it has next to no meaning.

[Ravit]

Sorry to interfere in this very passionate argumentt regarding specialist maths, but seriously special at specialist, you have openly expressed your passion and drive to achieve success in the subject which is perfectly fine.
However at the moment you are over complicating this discussion to a point that is very irrational.
Why bother bringing in evidence of other children doing maths at such young ages and comparing their abilities to others, individuals who choose to do specialist maths or any other maths, is because they feel like they have the capability to do the subject or because it is prerequiste for a career they are striving for. In the end achieving any study score above 30+ requires some form of effort and work.
So what im trying to get across why bother exclaiming your achievements and ideals while at the same time critiquing others and defining them as either elite mathematicians or below average, why not say just do the best you can and do what ever type of math you enjoy methods, spesh or further, it doesnt really matter in the end they are all components of maths.

Sorry to the rest of you for this rant, was just annoyed over how over complicated this was becoming

[Greatness]

Dude, listen to yourself.
Yes, before i did specialist i was quite overwhelmed by the thought of it. But i didnt say it was 'extremely hard' i said it is 'hard'. You're taking it out of context. When i say 'hard' i mean even the students who work hard and who are half decent at maths struggle to get 30 study scores.
If you're good at something, surely you have some talent in it....
I think you're underestimating the difficulty of the subject. Since, you appear to be a 'talented' math student you have the view that it isnt hard which i think is a result of your arrogance. You have not started year 12 yet let alone complete a year 12 subject, so who are you to say that it is easy to get X study score for a certain subject?

[Greatness]

Similarly, you compare someone who actually does maths homework to someone else. You don't compare a specialist maths student to someone who hates school, is only doing further maths and does no homework whatsoever. Otherwise, it's a pretty poor comparison and it has next to no meaning.

If we follow on from this reasoning then most students who do specialist must be 'good' at maths to a certain extent because to do specialist maths you are required to have completed or concurrently completing methods 3/4. (Did you know that?)
Therefore, you cannot dismiss the fact that by undertaking specialist you are essentially going against some of the best mathematically minded students in the state. Even to get a study score above 50% will be hard to an extent. If you work hard and understand all the concepts then it is very much achievable.

[Special At Specialist]

Sorry to interfere in this very passionate argumentt regarding specialist maths, but seriously special at specialist, you have openly expressed your passion and drive to achieve success in the subject which is perfectly fine.
However at the moment you are over complicating this discussion to a point that is very irrational.
Why bother bringing in evidence of other children doing maths at such young ages and comparing their abilities to others, individuals who choose to do specialist maths or any other maths, is because they feel like they have the capability to do the subject or because it is prerequiste for a career they are striving for. In the end achieving any study score above 30+ requires some form of effort and work.
So what im trying to get across why bother exclaiming your achievements and ideals while at the same time critiquing others and defining them as either elite mathematicians or below average, why not say just do the best you can and do what ever type of math you enjoy methods, spesh or further, it doesnt really matter in the end they are all components of maths.

Sorry to the rest of you for this rant, was just annoyed over how over complicated this was becoming

You're right.
My only intention was to say that it is not an extremely difficult task to get a 30 in specialist maths. I didn't intend for this to turn into a rant and I'm sorry if I may have offended anyone.

[dc302]

Why can't we just agree to disagree. Some people will find it easy, some will not.

Let's not even get started on the definition of 'hard' as well. I found the course easy, but the exam kinda hard. What then?

[BorisPeters]

A lot of people think that specialist is a really hard subject and that getting a 30 is quite difficult: that is a common misconception.
The average specialist student really isn't that bright at all, so if you consider yourself to be "mathematically talented", then you should be able to get at least a 35 in specialist.

1) Specialist is hard.
2) Refer to 1)
3) 3/4 of the students in my cohort will get study scores less than 30. And 3/4 of those students are half decent at maths and work quite hard.
4) Ummm.... I would say a majority of the specialist cohort is made up of the most "mathematically talented" students.... . Why do you think the amount of marks you can lose in the specialist exams for the 40+ study scores is similar to methods? Because the competition is that bloody fierce.
5) Refer to 1)

No disrespect, but it seems that you think you can just walk into the course and get a 30 study score. I assure you with your attitude it will be hard. Respect the subject and the students who undertake it.

Most people are not good at maths. Most people find maths hard or boring and let's face it: they're just not cut out to be mathematicians.
Specialist is a subject for those who are good at maths and do not struggle so much to grasp basic concepts. Does that automatically make them "talented"? No. They might look good in the eyes of a further maths student or a year 9 student, but few of them have a true "talent" that is worthy of bragging about.

And yes, I do believe that anyone who actually puts effort into specialist has the potential to get a 30+ study score. The problem is that so many people have the same attitude as you: they assume that specialist is extremely hard and they practically give up before the year level has even started. Or they spend too much time on other subjects and not enough time on maths.

But that's the exact point. MOST people do not do Specialist maths. Of the ones who do, they like maths and enjoy it, that's why it's so god damn hard to score well. The course itself is not that difficult imo, it's how competitive the exam is to get a 30. There's a reason why it scales up soo much.

There was an 8 year old that impregnated a woman. You're a late bloomer aren't you? <----- That's your logic.

Don't take exceptions to the rule ffs.

All students who take Specialist maths are talented and hard-working at the subject. If you think anything less than you are an idiot. Yes, maybe you find it easier than some others because you have a bit of talent for maths. Look up Terence Tao, he makes you look like the dumbest fuck on the planet by comparison. I'm telling you now, out of the many thousands of students who do some VCE maths, a 40 raw+ in S.M represents the top 0.5% of kids in the state taking any of the maths. If you were to take 200 random maths students, you would need to beat all 199 of them to get a 40 in Spesh Maths. That's not easy you idiot. A 50 represents the top 10 out of 40,000 or so maths students taking some form of maths that year.

In summary, you're an idiot, about as intelligent as a mentally challenged dog IMO.

[nbhindi]

I read on the newspaper that theres a 10 yr old kid in china going to university doing maths, whoa everyone whos doing vce beyond 10 yrs old must be shit! love your logic there

Must be Derrick Ha's cousin....what a beast 

Just checked out Terence Tao....WTF! ABSOLUTE MACHINE!!!

[Ravit]

I read on the newspaper that theres a 10 yr old kid in china going to university doing maths, whoa everyone whos doing vce beyond 10 yrs old must be shit! love your logic there

Must be Derrick Ha's cousin....what a beast 

math god right dere

Just checked out Terence Tao....WTF! ABSOLUTE MACHINE!!!

[paulsterio]

I'm speaking as somebody who is rather good and interested in maths as well. My opinion is that it is possible to get any study score in specialist maths as long as you put in the effort. For strong maths students, getting a 30 should be possible with a sincere work ethic, doing exercises and a couple of practice exams. For students who are not so good at maths or don't have such a strong background in maths, they may need to put in extra work.

It is not fair to say that what is hard for one person may or may not be hard for another person. You can't say that a 30 in spesh is difficult or easy, it depends on the person who you are talking about.

In my opinion, spesh is a difficult subject, it is far more difficult than methods and the reason why the A+ cut off is the same for both subjects is because of the competition. It is exactly like how you have heats in olympics athletics. Once you get to the final, you are up against the best, this is what spesh is like. I can routinely get a 40/40 for methods exam 1's whilst I will struggle to get a 40/40 for a spesh exam 1 - this is what i mean by how spesh is more difficult

Special at Specialist - your attitude is arrogant and unhelpful, although you might be good at maths, you have to consider that there are other people who aren't so good and you don't seem to respect them. If you are going for a 50 in Specialist - that's great, if you are able to get that, I will be happy for you because I respect people who do well, but you have to learn to respect other people as well, getting a 50 will get you nowhere in life with the attitude you now possess.

[dc302]

I'm speaking as somebody who is rather good and interested in maths as well. My opinion is that it is possible to get any study score in specialist maths as long as you put in the effort. For strong maths students, getting a 30 should be possible with a sincere work ethic, doing exercises and a couple of practice exams. For students who are not so good at maths or don't have such a strong background in maths, they may need to put in extra work.

It is not fair to say that what is hard for one person may or may not be hard for another person. You can't say that a 30 in spesh is difficult or easy, it depends on the person who you are talking about.

In my opinion, spesh is a difficult subject, it is far more difficult than methods and the reason why the A+ cut off is the same for both subjects is because of the competition. It is exactly like how you have heats in olympics athletics. Once you get to the final, you are up against the best, this is what spesh is like. I can routinely get a 40/40 for methods exam 1's whilst I will struggle to get a 40/40 for a spesh exam 1 - this is what i mean by how spesh is more difficult

Special at Specialist - your attitude is arrogant and unhelpful, although you might be good at maths, you have to consider that there are other people who aren't so good and you don't seem to respect them. If you are going for a 50 in Specialist - that's great, if you are able to get that, I will be happy for you because I respect people who do well, but you have to learn to respect other people as well, getting a 50 will get you nowhere in life with the attitude you now possess.

Well said. Also, it looks like you're in year 12 so I was curious as to what your personal goals for spesh/methods are. (ugh, bad grammar but whatever )

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I'm speaking as somebody who is rather good

Special at Specialist - your attitude is arrogant

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I'm speaking as somebody who is rather good

Special at Specialist - your attitude is arrogant