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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #1530 on: February 04, 2013, 09:42:16 pm »
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There are two approaches to this problem, one using rearranging methods and another using matrix methods

Using the first method, rearranging
For infinite solutions, we need the two equations to give the same line, so that means same gradients and same y interceps.
For no solutions we need the lines to be parallel but not to have the same equation, that is same gradients but different y intercepts.
For a unique solution, we need the lines to cross once, so that is we need to have different gradients.

a) So lets rearrange the lines into form.

So lets now compare the gradient and y intercepts.
For infinite solutions we have
Same gradients

Same y intercepts

The values of that satisfy both conditions is

For no solutions we want the same gradient and different y intercepts, we already know that for the same gradients, and for different y interecepts we will have , so that leaes us with for no solutions.

b) Now for the restrictions, we know that we need to have different gradients, so that will be (using the same solving from above but using a sign) . Now we need to solve the equations.



Using the second method, matricies
The second method makes use of matricies. So lets put the equations into matrix form.

If we have infinite solutions or no soultions.
If we have a unique solution
Now if the determinate of the first matrix is 0, then we will either have infinite solutions or not solutions ot the system of equations (we can check which we get but substituting in the values we get and checking if we get the same equation).

Now subbing in, if we get the same equation then we get infinite solutions, if we get different equations we have no solutions.

i.e. different equations, so that is we have no solutions for

That is we get the same equation, so we have inifinite solutions for

b) Now for there to be a solution, the determinate of the matrix has to not be zero, that is solving the above with a sign will give

Then solve like in the previous method.

Hope that helps :)
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #1531 on: February 04, 2013, 10:03:09 pm »
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^ Thank you SO very much. I managed to get the answer using the first method. :)

Also, the answer has the following restriction:

x= 10 / (m + 3) , y= -6 / (m+3) , m belongs to R\{-3, 0, 5}

Why can m NOT equal 0 ? :/

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #1532 on: February 04, 2013, 10:08:26 pm »
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This is why:

Consider the following linear simulataneous equations.

edit: just to let you know that I think the may be answer is wrong, but the above is a justification for what they think a linear is
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #1533 on: February 04, 2013, 10:15:27 pm »
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^ Thank you SO very much. I managed to get the answer using the first method. :)

Also, the answer has the following restriction:

x= 10 / (m + 3) , y= -6 / (m+3) , m belongs to R\{-3, 0, 5}

Why can m NOT equal 0 ? :/
The only reason I can think of is if they don't count y=-2 as a linear equation as they say that the system is a system of linear equations (which I would say it is), but they might be saying that it isn't due to it not containing . This would happen if we had , the first equation becomes .

I don't agree with this answer though, as I would class as a linear equation. Where is the question from?

Also this will help to visualise it https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ff12fhlrnh

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #1534 on: February 04, 2013, 10:16:46 pm »
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Are {y:y≥0} and Range: R+U{0} the same thing?

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« Reply #1535 on: February 04, 2013, 10:18:29 pm »
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Are {y:y≥0} and Range: R+U{0} the same thing?
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« Reply #1536 on: February 04, 2013, 10:19:50 pm »
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« Reply #1537 on: February 05, 2013, 06:10:24 am »
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This is why:

edit: just to let you know that I think the may be answer is wrong, but the above is a justification for what they think a linear is

The only reason I can think of is if they don't count y=-2 as a linear equation as they say that the system is a system of linear equations (which I would say it is), but they might be saying that it isn't due to it not containing . This would happen if we had , the first equation becomes .

I don't agree with this answer though, as I would class as a linear equation. Where is the question from?

Also this will help to visualise it https://www.desmos.com/calculator/ff12fhlrnh

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The question is from maths Quest 12 Excercise 1G. I'm thinking it is wrong too, but will ask the teacher tomorrow to see if he says anything different.

Thank you for the help. :D

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« Reply #1538 on: February 05, 2013, 12:27:41 pm »
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You can tell it's wrong from the fact that there is a unique solution for m = 0, which is x = 10/3, y = -2
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #1539 on: February 05, 2013, 03:40:04 pm »
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Hi,
I've been struggling with the following question for quite a while:
Consider the following system of simultaneous equations.
   6x+2y-z=1
   x+y+z=2
   kx+y-z=1
For what values of k, is there:
1. a unique soultion
2. no solution

Can anyone show me how to do this question algebraically? If it's not possible could you please show me how to do it using matrices?
I'm really not sure how to go about doing this question. Thanks for any help and sorry if there was a question like this before, I tried searching, but I couldn't find anything.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #1540 on: February 05, 2013, 03:49:12 pm »
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Using matricies

Now if the determinate of the matrix is zero, then we will have either no solutions or infinite solutions. In methods, (and well VCE), you don't need to know how to do 3x3 inverses or determinates by hand, so we turn to the calculator, where you can type the matrix in, and then use 'det()' to find the derminate.

1. So for a unique solutions we solve for when the determinate is not zero. That is


2. For infinite or no solutions, the determiant has to be zero, so we solve as above but with an equals sign, which will give .
Now we need to check whether we have infinite solutions or no solutions, so we substitute that value of back into the equation, and see if the equations are the same or not.

Since the first two equations are different no matter what value of we have. So for we have no solutions.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #1541 on: February 05, 2013, 04:14:33 pm »
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Oh okay, thanks for the help. :) I was really struggling with that question.
Just asking, is there no way to solve it algebraically? There was a method in my book that really screwed with my head, the book also says the answer is for a unique solution k≠5/3 and k=5/3 for no solution, I guess the book is wrong.
Thanks again for your help.  :)

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« Reply #1542 on: February 05, 2013, 04:32:47 pm »
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Oh okay, thanks for the help. :) I was really struggling with that question.
Just asking, is there no way to solve it algebraically? There was a method in my book that really screwed with my head, the book also says the answer is for a unique solution k≠5/3 and k=5/3 for no solution, I guess the book is wrong.
Thanks again for your help.  :)

oh my God. -.- spent an entire free period trying to work out that question at school today. Glad to know I wasn't going insane. :/

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #1543 on: February 05, 2013, 05:11:48 pm »
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You don't have to determine unique/no/infinite solutions for 3-variable equations, in an exam anyway
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #1544 on: February 05, 2013, 06:01:54 pm »
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Thought I'd share how I did by hand (not efficient). Friend gave me that same question, but here's how I did it below:

Just to save thread space.




If there's anything wrong please reply.
Also look above this post, don't stress about this question! :)
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