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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #7515 on: December 29, 2014, 12:20:48 am »
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Thanks eulerfan101  :)
i was just wondering how did you get for the use of finding angles.How is this derived for finding angles.

Sorry, guess I didn't make it clear enough.

From the attached image:



Thanks mate so much. Once i got the domain correct, the rest of it was a breeze. So when you say x and y has to be positive, that is >0, this is because the area of the box can only be positive? And as a result can only be when x and y are both positive? The reason why i was getting the wrong domain was cause i was using the Area formula and solving x for 0, which got me 200/pi as the other root when graphed. Why is this wrong?

No - I'm saying that x and y must be positive because they are lengths. A length cannot be negative, it's just illogical. You're right that the area must be positive, but you've forgotten that the lengths must also be positive. An appropriate domain is the intersection of when the lengths are positive and the area is positive.

So, we have three inequalities:



Now, we need to find the intersection of all three. Solving for x in each, we get:



Of course, the intersection of these three is , as detailed above.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #7516 on: December 29, 2014, 12:31:12 am »
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Irrelevant, but that drawing made me laugh haha  :P

Ummm, excuse me? I got an HD for multivariate calculus!! See, it's funny, because multivariate calculus is basically just a bunch of drawing. Hahahahahah! ... Okay, I'll go now...

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #7517 on: December 29, 2014, 01:59:59 pm »
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For differentiation question:
When we are doing those related rates of change problems, i often find it hard to understand the maths i'm doing (like understanding it conceptually)
like why exactly when you are asked to find the rate of something that you differentiate it (like i can do the algebra, but i don't really understand why??)

For example: Find the point of the parabola y=X^2 that is closest to (3,0)
i don't understand why we can use the distance between points on the parabola and (3,0) - so using the distance formula. and then deriving this works to find the answer.

Thanks.


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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #7518 on: December 29, 2014, 02:18:40 pm »
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For differentiation question:
When we are doing those related rates of change problems, i often find it hard to understand the maths i'm doing (like understanding it conceptually)
like why exactly when you are asked to find the rate of something that you differentiate it (like i can do the algebra, but i don't really understand why??)

For example: Find the point of the parabola y=X^2 that is closest to (3,0)
i don't understand why we can use the distance between points on the parabola and (3,0) - so using the distance formula. and then deriving this works to find the answer.

Thanks.

It is important for you to conceive of the derivative as a rate of change. dy/dx literally means 'the rate of change of y with respect to x'. Graphically, dy/dx represents the gradient of the curve of y.

Example: Find the point of the parabola y=x^2 that is closest to (3,0).

Let (x,x^2) be a point along the parabola. The distance between (3,0) and (x,x^2) is given by:

D = sqrt((x-3)^2 + (x^2 - 0)^2)
= sqrt(x^4 + x^2 - 6x + 9)

Notice that D is a function in terms of x. Graph this function. You'll notice that it looks kind of like a distorted parabola. What does this graph actually tell us? It tells us the distance between (x,x^2) and (3,0) at particular x-values. We need to find the minimum distance between (x,x^2) and (3,0). Do you see how, in this example, the minimum distance corresponds to the local minimum of the graph of D? Now recall that derivative = rate of change = gradient. At the local minimum of D, the gradient of the tangent to the curve is 0. This is why, in order to find the minimum distance, we first derive (to obtain an expression that gives us the gradient at particular x-values) and then set the gradient equal to 0.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #7519 on: December 29, 2014, 03:30:15 pm »
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In terms of transition matrices what are actually Markov chains?
What are Markov chains and how are they used?

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #7520 on: December 29, 2014, 04:58:41 pm »
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In terms of transition matrices what are actually Markov chains?
What are Markov chains and how are they used?

-warning: the following is the ramblings of a stats nerd. Not all is requisite knowledge for methods 3/4, however is useful to think about for Markov chains-

Before we discuss what a Markov chain is, it is useful to discuss what the Markov property is. Any event can be found dependent on an event that happened earlier - a simple example is how well you do in your methods SAC dependent on the amount of time you studied for it. HOWEVER, if an event is found to be dependent on its present state (i.e, what's happening now), and nothing else, we say that it has the Markov property. An example of this is how well your sporting team plays in a game, based on the amount of times they practiced this week. Note that studying may not exhibit the Markov property, as you may have studied things last year and not need to study them this time.

A Markov chain is an abuse of the Markov property. Let's say we have a football team, and if they practice three times a week, they have a 0.8 probability of winning a match. However, if they practice less than 3 times a week, the probability of winning is only 0.3. We can display this system as follows:



Looks an awful a set of simultaneous equations, eh? Well, using the law of total probability, we get:



This is definitely a set of simultaneous equations - so, let's put it in matrix form:



Now, what if we had an event that when measured, told us about the future? For example, above we could figure out if the team won based on how much they trained - but what if we could figure it out based on if they won the preceding match? Seems somewhat unrealistic, but from a psychological view, it could definitely happen. In fact, my super team of psychologists got together, and they reckon that if a team won a game the previous week, they were 75% more likely to win a game in the future. If they lost, they were 60% more likely to fail the next time.

Using this information, all of a sudden our matrix equation becomes:



But remember, this follows the Markov property. So, we should be able to generalise this for any ith game. Indeed, we can, and it's very similar to what is depicted above:



THIS is a Markov chain. It's an abuse of the Markov property to find the probability of an outcome at any i-th point in time. The Markov chain has three components:

"i+1"th state = transition matrix * "i"th state

Where the transition matrix is composed as above. Note: the Markov chain above is called a 2-state Markov chain, these are the only kind you need to be concerned about in methods.

Any more questions, or want some further explanations, just ask~

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #7521 on: December 29, 2014, 05:07:29 pm »
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-warning: the following is the ramblings of a stats nerd. Not all is requisite knowledge for methods 3/4, however is useful to think about for Markov chains-

Before we discuss what a Markov chain is, it is useful to discuss what the Markov property is. Any event can be found dependent on an event that happened earlier - a simple example is how well you do in your methods SAC dependent on the amount of time you studied for it. HOWEVER, if an event is found to be dependent on its present state (i.e, what's happening now), and nothing else, we say that it has the Markov property. An example of this is how well your sporting team plays in a game, based on the amount of times they practiced this week. Note that studying may not exhibit the Markov property, as you may have studied things last year and not need to study them this time.

A Markov chain is an abuse of the Markov property. Let's say we have a football team, and if they practice three times a week, they have a 0.8 probability of winning a match. However, if they practice less than 3 times a week, the probability of winning is only 0.3. We can display this system as follows:



Looks an awful a set of simultaneous equations, eh? Well, using the law of total probability, we get:



This is definitely a set of simultaneous equations - so, let's put it in matrix form:



Now, what if we had an event that when measured, told us about the future? For example, above we could figure out if the team won based on how much they trained - but what if we could figure it out based on if they won the preceding match? Seems somewhat unrealistic, but from a psychological view, it could definitely happen. In fact, my super team of psychologists got together, and they reckon that if a team won a game the previous week, they were 75% more likely to win a game in the future. If they lost, they were 60% more likely to fail the next time.

Using this information, all of a sudden our matrix equation becomes:



But remember, this follows the Markov property. So, we should be able to generalise this for any ith game. Indeed, we can, and it's very similar to what is depicted above:



THIS is a Markov chain. It's an abuse of the Markov property to find the probability of an outcome at any i-th point in time. The Markov chain has three components:

"i+1"th state = transition matrix * "i"th state

Where the transition matrix is composed as above. Note: the Markov chain above is called a 2-state Markov chain, these are the only kind you need to be concerned about in methods.

Any more questions, or want some further explanations, just ask~

Thanks so much eulerfan101 :)
You really helped me understand the concept well!! :)
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #7522 on: December 29, 2014, 05:09:24 pm »
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When writing out  transition probability tables does the order of which you place things together matter.
Like what you put in the rows and columns

For example in this problem.

A school has 200 students. Records show that 70% of students who are absent on a particular day will be absent the following day as well. Also 10% of the students who are present will be absent the following day. On a particular day, 20 students are absent.

What would be the order of things in the transition probability table and how would you know?
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« Reply #7523 on: December 29, 2014, 05:36:38 pm »
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When writing out  transition probability tables does the order of which you place things together matter.
Like what you put in the rows and columns

For example in this problem.

A school has 200 students. Records show that 70% of students who are absent on a particular day will be absent the following day as well. Also 10% of the students who are present will be absent the following day. On a particular day, 20 students are absent.

What would be the order of things in the transition probability table and how would you know?

What's a transition probability table?

In any case, there are two possibilities for the transition matrix: [0.7,0.1;0.3;0.9] or [0.9,0.3;0.1,0.7]. Both of them work, provided that you pair them up with the right initial state matrix. If you choose to use the first transition matrix, then you will need to pair it up with [20;180], where the initial number of absentees is on top. If you choose to use the second transition matrix, then you will need to pair it up with [180;20], where the initial number of absentees is on bottom. The way you work out which transition matrix and state matrix to pair up is quite simple: look at entry in the first row and the first column of the transition matrix you have selected. If the probability there represents 'absent given absent', then you should pair it up with the initial state matrix that has initial number of absentees on top. If the probability there represents 'present given present', then you should pair it up with the initial state matrix that has initial number of students that are present on top.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #7524 on: December 29, 2014, 06:25:41 pm »
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When writing out  transition probability tables does the order of which you place things together matter.
Like what you put in the rows and columns

For example in this problem.

A school has 200 students. Records show that 70% of students who are absent on a particular day will be absent the following day as well. Also 10% of the students who are present will be absent the following day. On a particular day, 20 students are absent.

What would be the order of things in the transition probability table and how would you know?

Just a slight expansion on what brightsky wrote, remember those two equations I came up with earlier? Well, say that A is the event a student was absent, and P the event the student was present. Then, we have:



As long as when you expand your matrices you get these two equations, it doesn't matter how you arrange them - leading to the two configurations that brightsky has given you. If you're having trouble understanding where these two equations came from in the first place, see here.

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« Reply #7525 on: December 29, 2014, 07:07:08 pm »
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What's a transition probability table?

In any case, there are two possibilities for the transition matrix: [0.7,0.1;0.3;0.9] or [0.9,0.3;0.1,0.7]. Both of them work, provided that you pair them up with the right initial state matrix. If you choose to use the first transition matrix, then you will need to pair it up with [20;180], where the initial number of absentees is on top. If you choose to use the second transition matrix, then you will need to pair it up with [180;20], where the initial number of absentees is on bottom. The way you work out which transition matrix and state matrix to pair up is quite simple: look at entry in the first row and the first column of the transition matrix you have selected. If the probability there represents 'absent given absent', then you should pair it up with the initial state matrix that has initial number of absentees on top. If the probability there represents 'present given present', then you should pair it up with the initial state matrix that has initial number of students that are present on top.

Just a slight expansion on what brightsky wrote, remember those two equations I came up with earlier? Well, say that A is the event a student was absent, and P the event the student was present. Then, we have:



As long as when you expand your matrices you get these two equations, it doesn't matter how you arrange them - leading to the two configurations that brightsky has given you. If you're having trouble understanding where these two equations came from in the first place, see here.

Thanks Brightsky and Eulerfan101  :)

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« Reply #7526 on: December 29, 2014, 07:25:21 pm »
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how do i simplify

(1) / (-5sqrt29/29) ?

and

(1) / (2sqrt29/29)

thanks
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« Reply #7527 on: December 29, 2014, 08:35:34 pm »
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how do i simplify

(1) / (-5sqrt29/29) ?

and

(1) / (2sqrt29/29)

thanks
Highly doubt you'd get some weird answer like those but I'll do the first one and you do the second (and check with CAS):

Assuming you mean:

(Split it up and we get):





Now what you know for Methods you can't have a square root in the denominator (but in Specialist you can) so we'll rationalise it :)





(Simplify and if the number is too big for you then start off by diving by 5 and keep on simplifying).



I think from that you should be able to do the 2nd one since it's exactly the same thing.

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« Reply #7528 on: December 29, 2014, 09:04:57 pm »
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how would you do this question?

Tasha likes to vary her gym routines in a special way. If she does a cycling class one day, the
probability that she will do a Pilates session the next day is 0.6, and if she does a Pilates session one
day, the probability she does cycling next day is 0.75. Assume that Tasha goes to the gym every day
and does only cycling or Pilates.

Write down the transition matrix for this situation.also write down the initial state matrix?
If Tasha cycles on Saturday, what is the probability that she also cycles the next Tuesday?

I got T=[ 0.25,0.6;0.75,0.4] and for the initial state matrix i got s0=[0;1]

The answers got a different answer to me i dont understand how.(answer is attached)

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« Reply #7529 on: December 29, 2014, 09:21:37 pm »
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how would you do this question?

Tasha likes to vary her gym routines in a special way. If she does a cycling class one day, the
probability that she will do a Pilates session the next day is 0.6, and if she does a Pilates session one
day, the probability she does cycling next day is 0.75. Assume that Tasha goes to the gym every day
and does only cycling or Pilates.

Write down the transition matrix for this situation.also write down the initial state matrix?
If Tasha cycles on Saturday, what is the probability that she also cycles the next Tuesday?

I got T=[ 0.25,0.6;0.75,0.4] and for the initial state matrix i got s0=[0;1]

The answers got a different answer to me i dont understand how.(answer is attached)
I'm pretty sure you should still get the same answer as the final answer... Essentially when you're writing down your transition matrix, there's two correct ways in writing it out and you've so happened to have written the other way (look at why they've defined their matrix like that and how you've defined it and it's exactly the same thing but the positions are flipped around).