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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #14970 on: June 18, 2017, 01:06:21 pm »
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Whats the derivative forumla for cos(u)
Doing -sin(u) doesnt seem to work.
For eg. Derivative of cos(-2x)

You differentiate cos by changing it to -sin and multiplying it by the derivative of the back.  8)
You also do this for every other trig derivatives.
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« Reply #14971 on: June 18, 2017, 01:13:31 pm »
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You differentiate cos by changing it to -sin and multiplying it by the derivative of the back.  8)
You also do this for every other trig derivatives.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #14972 on: June 19, 2017, 08:11:10 pm »
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Whats the derivative forumla for cos(u)
Doing -sin(u) doesnt seem to work.
For eg. Derivative of cos(-2x)


There is a subtlety about differentiation that isn't always stressed when teaching it.

Consider the equation

Here, x appears three times: once in the denominator, and once as the argument of sine and cosine.

Why does this next equation fail?
It's because it doesn't match the pattern above. We've swapped x for 2x in two out of three places. The denominator still says x, however. If you use a chain rule and sub in u=2x, then the derivative you're looking for then looks like the above pattern, with the three x's.

So, when calculating something like

the first step is to make this look something like the derivative rule for sine. However, the argument of the sine function here, which is a cosine, isn't x, so we have to use a chain rule. Let u = cos x. Then, by the chain rule,



It's important to understand what the chain rule does. It essentially changes the derivative from d/dx to d/du, which then allows you to apply the familiar derivative rules. THIS is why we have a chain rule.
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #14973 on: June 20, 2017, 12:03:03 pm »
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Aloha everybody!
I am currently doing my Unit 3 SAC for Methods.  :'(
Mine is about a woman called Wendy and she's marrying a guy called Peter and it's got all sorts of questions about distances, speed, graphing, derivatives, etc.

I was wondering what other peoples were about (if you've done them).
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« Reply #14974 on: June 21, 2017, 06:15:00 pm »
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ours was about some colonies of capybaras in brazil........we got the wendy's wedding one as a practise....i think our school did tht one last year....


also any help on this question would be great!....i can work it out on the calculator.....but its an extended response worth 5 marks sooo i kinda wont to show a bit more working out...

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #14975 on: June 21, 2017, 06:24:40 pm »
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ours was about some colonies of capybaras in brazil........we got the wendy's wedding one as a practise....i think our school did tht one last year....


also any help on this question would be great!....i can work it out on the calculator.....but its an extended response worth 5 marks sooo i kinda wont to show a bit more working out...

How do you go about doing it on the calculator, and what about transferring it to by hand is confusing you? How far do you get when you try it by hand?

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #14976 on: June 21, 2017, 06:29:28 pm »
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How do you go about doing it on the calculator, and what about transferring it to by hand is confusing you? How far do you get when you try it by hand?
um....well if you graph it on the calculator you can find when it crosses the x-axis......would u jst graph it on paper and and show the intersection points????

by hand i got it down to sin(pi/20*t)=3/5.....if tht makes sense......just dont know where to go from there.......thanks!!!

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« Reply #14977 on: June 21, 2017, 06:36:50 pm »
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um....well if you graph it on the calculator you can find when it crosses the x-axis......would u jst graph it on paper and and show the intersection points????

by hand i got it down to sin(pi/20*t)=3/5.....if tht makes sense......just dont know where to go from there.......thanks!!!

Not bad, you're pretty close, actually! I'm assuming the tricky part for you is trying to get it in general form? If so, we have a great guide here that can help you with it. However, in order to do that, you need to know how to solve questions over a single cycle.

However, I will note that this particular question would HAVE to be done on a calculator either way, as to do it by hand you need to be able to evaluate the inverse sine of 3/5 - which you may have noted isn't a part of your exact values you should know. ;)

Graphing it by hand isn't too bad a way of doing it, either - it's just incredibly long, hahah.

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #14978 on: June 21, 2017, 06:44:43 pm »
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Not bad, you're pretty close, actually! I'm assuming the tricky part for you is trying to get it in general form? If so, we have a great guide here that can help you with it. However, in order to do that, you need to know how to solve questions over a single cycle.

However, I will note that this particular question would HAVE to be done on a calculator either way, as to do it by hand you need to be able to evaluate the inverse sine of 3/5 - which you may have noted isn't a part of your exact values you should know. ;)

Graphing it by hand isn't too bad a way of doing it, either - it's just incredibly long, hahah.

ok thanks heaps......probably should know such things but my teacher is off campus......sooo makes it harder!!.....thanks for tht!

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« Reply #14979 on: June 21, 2017, 06:51:30 pm »
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ok thanks heaps......probably should know such things but my teacher is off campus......sooo makes it harder!!.....thanks for tht!

Nah all good! Let us know if you continue to have problems (even with the same question), we're just currently trialling a new method of answering questions where we try and get you to do all the working out yourself, and we just kinda push you to get there, as opposed to just giving you an answer and you walking away having learned nothing new. :P

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« Reply #14980 on: June 21, 2017, 06:54:06 pm »
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Nah all good! Let us know if you continue to have problems (even with the same question), we're just currently trialling a new method of answering questions where we try and get you to do all the working out yourself, and we just kinda push you to get there, as opposed to just giving you an answer and you walking away having learned nothing new. :P

yep k thanks........jst one question......should ur calculator be in radians or degrees when finding out wht inverse sine is of 3/5???

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #14981 on: June 21, 2017, 07:19:25 pm »
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soooorry to be such a pain...jst working through some old questions i had difficulty with.........

with part c) of this question wht domain would you need to sketch it for in order to get full marks if it was on a vcaa exam????

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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #14982 on: June 21, 2017, 08:22:36 pm »
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Hey! Would appreciate help for part 1b. I know that the eqn for part 1a is f(x)=x^2-4x+14 and f'(3)=2
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Re: VCE Methods Question Thread!
« Reply #14983 on: June 21, 2017, 08:32:20 pm »
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soooorry to be such a pain...jst working through some old questions i had difficulty with.........

with part c) of this question wht domain would you need to sketch it for in order to get full marks if it was on a vcaa exam????

Hi Perryman,
The domain would be R. (found in part b.)
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« Reply #14984 on: June 21, 2017, 09:19:20 pm »
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Hey! Would appreciate help for part 1b. I know that the eqn for part 1a is f(x)=x^2-4x+14 and f'(3)=2

Hi ringring,

The equation for 1b should be:
The method is similar to the one you would've used in 1a. But this time, the point required to find the equation (other than the turning point) would be (3,11) using the 1st equation. (This is where the 1st section joins smoothly with the 2nd).


Working:
Set up general equation. The turning point occurs at (4,12) so:

When x = 3, y = 11 so:




The gradient at x = 6 wouldn't be defined because it's an endpoint (it's discontinuous).

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