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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2012, 08:34:08 pm »
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What I'm about to say is probably very taboo.
I wonder how many people on AN lie about the study scores/ATARs they have received?
Probably more prevalent than you think.

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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2012, 08:35:36 pm »
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I actually really like these forums. I doubt there are any forums were people are as helpful as there are on this page. :D
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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2012, 08:37:11 pm »
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I actually really like these forums. I doubt there are any forums were people are as helpful as there are on this page. :D

That's true. It's lovely because a lot of us are competing against each other this year but yet we are willing to help each other out. I love that.
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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2012, 08:37:28 pm »
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I don't like the respect system. As Paulsterio stated, people vote in herds, so a post which might only deserve -1 respect ends up with -20 (it has happened to me before and it is really annoying trying to get back). Also, it discourages people from expressing their opinion. I know that I have had to restrain myself from posting a lot of comments in order to keep a positive respect.

Worst of all: people can easily just go into your profile and give every single post a -1 respect. I had one guy do this to me for over 100 posts which really messed up my respect count.
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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2012, 08:37:49 pm »
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What I'm about to say is probably very taboo.
I wonder how many people on AN lie about the study scores/ATARs they have received?
Probably more prevalent than you think.

i have always wondered about this !!

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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2012, 08:39:18 pm »
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A question: do you feel "scared" to post against the view of a prominent moderator or admin?

eg.
- Contradicting mods/admin in religious debate threads?
- Contradicting or questioning Thushan's working or answer in a chem thread?
- Saying you enjoy VCE Physics anywhere in the forum? (not that anyone would...) 
- Fear of getting mass downvoted for stating your views?
no
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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2012, 08:39:31 pm »
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What I'm about to say is probably very taboo.
I wonder how many people on AN lie about the study scores/ATARs they have received?
Probably more prevalent than you think.

As for those who get 40+ study scores, it's easy to verify their results online if you know their real names etc

But as for UMAT scores and the like, no-one really knows

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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2012, 08:41:31 pm »
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A question: do you feel "scared" to post against the view of a prominent moderator or admin?
Not really. I think there is an atmosphere where it's okay to disagree with the mods/admins.


I think the passionate religious debates on this site have ingrained themselves as part of the culture haha.

This is probably just talking about the religious debate threads as a whole. Unless I have something that I really want to say, I try to stay out of these religious threads because sooner or later they end up being locked. I also don't really like talking about personal things on public forums, so that's another reason why I try to avoid those threads.

These next two paragraphs are not expressed very well, I can't think of the best way to word it:

In terms of those religious threads, is the purpose of them to "persuade people of your beliefs" or is it facilitate an open discussion of both sides and then twist into random bits of philosophy. I think there's a slight clash between the twisting into random bits of philosophy and people trying to persuade. (the difference between an expository essay and a persuasive essay ;))

I think both sides do get their chance to speak their beliefs, and I think if people disagree with you, they're allowed to. In what way could we avoid those threads getting locked? Why do those threads get locked in the first place (the debate sinking to low levels really).

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- Contradicting or questioning Thushan's working or answer in a chem thread?
This could be generalised to, are you okay with contradicting a well-known member's working out to any question.

It depends. Most of the time I know that the person would know what they're talking about and hence are probably correct.

If I can see they've made a mistake, I'd be comfortable with pointing it out. This is probably more with the maths boards where silly errors happen.

I wouldn't contradict it unless I can defend my answer. If I can't defend my answer, then in that case I'm more likely to be confused about the working out, in which case I feel more than comfortable asking them to elaborate.

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- Saying you enjoy VCE Physics anywhere in the forum? (not that anyone would...) 
Yes I am comfortable with saying that I enjoyed and learnt a lot from VCE Physics.



I tend to agree with what Paul has said about respect, but in terms of a solution, I'm not sure.

So we have respect enabled in the subject boards. I think we'd need to be careful with remembering that AN extends a bit more than just answering maths/science questions, so there's also respect enabled in the general education discussion boards, uni boards etc. where a lot of advice gets given out there.

We also have respect enabled in the general discussion board (like this one).

While I would like to say that the "respect" number is unimportant - it's linked to the ranking of tutors in the Tutoring section, so it affects users advertising there.



I think also with what is on-topic and what is off-topic, and how should we deal with that.

I'll point out the example of this thread here from yesterday (this is just the freshest example in my mind): OFF TOPIC: Philosophy of maths and other stuff thread

I'm not criticising the decision to split that topic (it was after all, irrelevant to the first post), but I'm more interested in, if we wanted to follow the "posting rules" where would discussion like that go? Honestly, that was probably one of the more interesting maths discussions in the past few months on AN, but it was technically off-topic.

It's clear that we can't disallow discussion like that. Yet that kind of discussion is something that springs up naturally.

Determining the point where the thread where the thread has gone off topic is hard too. Arguably, some of the earlier posts in the split part of the thread there is still on-topic to the original thread.

If you were posting, how would you know that you've gone off-topic? Where would you put your post? Would you create a new thread yourself, quoting the last post from the thread and then continue.

Is the current system okay? Just let discussion flow as it does, and then mods step in to keep the discussions relevant and coherent?

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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2012, 08:42:58 pm »
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As for those who get 40+ study scores, it's easy to verify their results online if you know their real names etc

Unless they forgot to tick the box allowing their results to get published (this happened to a girl in my year level last year).
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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2012, 08:44:23 pm »
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I don't like the respect system. As Paulsterio stated, people vote in herds, so a post which might only deserve -1 respect ends up with -20 (it has happened to me before and it is really annoying trying to get back). Also, it discourages people from expressing their opinion. I know that I have had to restrain myself from posting a lot of comments in order to keep a positive respect.

Worst of all: people can easily just go into your profile and give every single post a -1 respect. I had one guy do this to me for over 100 posts which really messed up my respect count.

I mean this in the most positive way possible - who really cares? It's just a number, it doesn't reflect you personally in any way - you're anonymous...
Don't you see how sad it is that that guy spent all his time voting down all your stuff? You should just laugh at the ridiculousness.
Let us remember that this site is for helping people in VCE, not a popularity contest. If someone writes a funny post, why not give them a +1? It almost sounds like your goal on this site is to get more +1s...

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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2012, 08:48:30 pm »
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What I'm about to say is probably very taboo.
I wonder how many people on AN lie about the study scores/ATARs they have received?
Probably more prevalent than you think.

Haha. Wouldn't matter too much to us. After all, if they want to lie to themselves, let them do that.
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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2012, 08:50:19 pm »
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I don't like the respect system. As Paulsterio stated, people vote in herds, so a post which might only deserve -1 respect ends up with -20 (it has happened to me before and it is really annoying trying to get back). Also, it discourages people from expressing their opinion. I know that I have had to restrain myself from posting a lot of comments in order to keep a positive respect.

Worst of all: people can easily just go into your profile and give every single post a -1 respect. I had one guy do this to me for over 100 posts which really messed up my respect count.

I mean this in the most positive way possible - who really cares? It's just a number, it doesn't reflect you personally in any way - you're anonymous...
Don't you see how sad it is that that guy spent all his time voting down all your stuff? You should just laugh at the ridiculousness.
Let us remember that this site is for helping people in VCE, not a popularity contest. If someone writes a funny post, why not give them a +1? It almost sounds like your goal on this site is to get more +1s...

Almost as bad as saying, if someone bullies you. You walk away.

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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2012, 08:52:18 pm »
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Worst of all: people can easily just go into your profile and give every single post a -1 respect. I had one guy do this to me for over 100 posts which really messed up my respect count.

he must of been bored af and terrible at specialist LOL

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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2012, 08:52:45 pm »
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Let us remember that this site is for helping people in VCE, not a popularity contest. If someone writes a funny post, why not give them a +1? It almost sounds like your goal on this site is to get more +1s...
If you're advertising as a tutor on the site, your advert is ranked by respect. If you've dedicated a lot of time to answering posts on the site, then really you shouldn't be outranked on the tutoring list by someone who's got their number by making jokes. I don't think this has actually come up as a problem on the tutoring list yet though, the top ranking tutors  have been around for a fair while and contributed heavily to the site.

There's also the thing where if you've made a lot of posts, you'll be recognisable on the forums and people might PM you directly (e.g. not even looking at the tutor list).

I guess another possible problem with the respect system / being tied to the tutoring thingo. I haven't looked for the evidence, this is just speculation off the top of my head:

If you were really helpful on say the, the humanities boards, and that was where you only posted, could you get your respect as high as someone who only posted really helpful posts on the maths boards? Ultimately, those boards get a lot more activity.

I guess the problems I've mentioned here is that respect is tied to tutoring, but how else would we rank the tutors list? It seems that respect is doing it's job for the tutoring list too, the long-time contributors to the site are up the top of the list.
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Re: The Culture within AN
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2012, 08:52:55 pm »
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I don't like the respect system. As Paulsterio stated, people vote in herds, so a post which might only deserve -1 respect ends up with -20 (it has happened to me before and it is really annoying trying to get back). Also, it discourages people from expressing their opinion. I know that I have had to restrain myself from posting a lot of comments in order to keep a positive respect.

Worst of all: people can easily just go into your profile and give every single post a -1 respect. I had one guy do this to me for over 100 posts which really messed up my respect count.

I mean this in the most positive way possible - who really cares? It's just a number, it doesn't reflect you personally in any way - you're anonymous...
Don't you see how sad it is that that guy spent all his time voting down all your stuff? You should just laugh at the ridiculousness.
Let us remember that this site is for helping people in VCE, not a popularity contest. If someone writes a funny post, why not give them a +1? It almost sounds like your goal on this site is to get more +1s...

The more negative respect I have, the more people start accusing me of being a troll and dismissing everything I post without even reading it.
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