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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2013, 06:23:23 pm »
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http://howfastisthenbn.com.au/

Reminds me of "640K ought to be enough for anybody..."



Can you explain it to me like im 5 (and i guess the public) why i should care about the NBN? A lot of people i know are making noise about it and so are people on places like reddit but i don't know why it should be a priority for me. I'm not trying to be antagonistic or anything, i literally have no idea why people are making a big deal out of it.

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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2013, 06:28:29 pm »
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I care about: economy, health, education and I suppose population growth/immigration in an infrastructure and support sense more than anything else not in a like BORDER CONTROL sense because that's unnecessary
Things that are not important to me include: defence (in the sense that it should not see such a large rise in funding), childcare
I could not care less about: NBN, republicanism

^ MJRomeo81, no offence but in an ageing population and at the present time I don't see how you can invalidate that quote.  Currently, that is going to be enough for the average household that doesn't spend a lot of time downloading stuff illegally, streaming tv shows, gaming etc.  Like, in the current population, a need for high speed internet is not crucial in the average household even if it is desirable to some.  Obviously some people will need/want greater speeds but that's not what the quote says, it says 'average'.  I don't really consider myself to be an average internet user.  I don't think anybody on this website is going to consider themselves to be an average internet user.  I spend a lot more time on the internet than most people I know.

In 5-10 years time though, those speeds won't be enough for the average household because as time goes on internet use/dependency increases.  Which is more of the issue - sustainability of a system over time rather than what it can offer in this moment, especially when it comes to a large monetary investment.  But if you ask me that quote is referring to the present time because 99.9% of voters go to the polls to vote based on the NOW rather than the future.  Foresight is a gift many do not possess.

And here we are, I've stated that I couldn't give a shit about the NBN and I just wrote a 150 word novel stating my opinions on internet speeds.  Cl4ss1k simpak.  What I mean to say when I say I don't care about the NBN is that I don't think the solution offered by Labor or Liberal is a good enough one so I would prefer to have neither until someone comes up with a better plan and policy because both seem like a waste of money to me.  Unfortunately this is not an option and when you hate all the options you have to exclude an issue from your decision making process.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2013, 06:38:44 pm »
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defence (in the sense that it should not see such a large rise in funding)

Same here, would just kind of like to maintain it.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2013, 06:42:03 pm »
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10/10, would read again simpak.

Yeah, i cant see much of a point either. We get game of thrones slightly faster?

I think its probably more of a future proofing thing though. Plus, all those imagined applications for it like video conferencing healthcare and stuff like that.

Same here, would just kind of like to maintain it.

Our military strategy is literally hold out as best we can til the USA shows up. There is no way we could resist a large invasion by someone like Russia, China or India and win, alone.

That said im sure they're still useful for peace keeping, teaching useful skills, disasters, controlling the borders, that kind of thing (oh and fighting silly wars).
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2013, 06:46:18 pm »
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Joe Hockey on the Project literally said "we don't know who we've received donations from". I want this man to run our economy.

Can you explain it to me like im 5 (and i guess the public) why i should care about the NBN? A lot of people i know are making noise about it and so are people on places like reddit but i don't know why it should be a priority for me. I'm not trying to be antagonistic or anything, i literally have no idea why people are making a big deal out of it.

Current infrastructure isn't OK for the future. Coalition system is a terrible long term plan but is cheaper. ALP system is a much better long term plan but is more expensive.

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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2013, 06:53:24 pm »
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10/10, would read again simpak.

Our military strategy is literally hold out as best we can til the USA shows up. There is no way we could resist a large invasion by someone like Russia, China or India and win, alone.

10/10, would read again simpak.

Our military strategy is literally hold out as best we can til the USA shows up. There is no way we could resist a large invasion by someone like Russia, China or India and win, alone.


Good point and I agree, obviously just want to keep my hopes up nothing disastrous will happen here esp. in the near future. I'm finding this all very interesting and haven't really taken part in political discussions until now lol.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2013, 09:15:36 pm »
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My solution to the inability to invest in appropriate infrastructure is to evacuate the country.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2013, 10:56:02 pm »
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It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion...

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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2013, 11:01:01 pm »
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It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion...

Wow I didn't expect it to be that cringeworthy
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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2013, 11:18:46 pm »
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It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion...

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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2013, 07:44:34 am »
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From Fred Niles Christian Democratic Party (which is bucketloads more whacky insane than the Christian Democrats in Europe)

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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2013, 07:28:23 pm »
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Here's the basics on the NBN, basically FTTP VS FTTN

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Labor - 1000/400 Mbps FTTP (Fibre to the Premises)

Your house is connected to the internet via an optic fibre. The expected minimum lifetime of this fibre is 60 years. The NBN is completely passive, all that lies between your house and the exchange is strands of glass and optical prisms, no power or ongoing maintenance is required. Upgrading the speed of the NBN is simply a matter of replacing the equipment at each end of the fibre.



Liberal - 25/5 Mbps FTTN Fibre to the Node

Your house is connected to a NBN node via existing copper wire. Each of the planned 30,000 nodes is a self-contained mini telephone exchange. These nodes have complicated internals that require regular maintenance and a reliable power source. Your internet connection speed to the coalition's NBN is dependent on the distance of your house to the nearest node, the quality of your existing telephone line, and the quality of your home's internal copper wiring.

The NBN wasn't designed just for everyday Australians' internet usage.

The most important thing about the NBN isn't its speed to rip torrents — even though its fibre-optic services will easily provide 1Gbps or eventually 10Gbps connections for those who need them. The value of the NBN is that it will allow every business in the country to link with every other branch office, business partner, etc. at the same speed as they would use over their internal network. When even your remotest offices have 1Gbps access to the rest of the company, data remains instantly accessible by remote staff as if they were sitting in the same office. While it's easy for businesses to set up 1Gbps networks inside their four walls, they've constantly had to compensate for slow wide-area network (WAN) connections.

Australia's broadband speeds are some of the slowest in the developed world. Where FTTP is available, the cost is so high that only the largest businesses can afford it. If we continue to rely on copper, our network will be overwhelmed by 2016.  The exponential growth in data predicted over the next few years suggests we need to act now.

The answer is not to go backwards. The answer is not to continue to rely on copper in any form. Fibre to the premises is basically future proof technology since it provides the high speeds and reliability required for advanced digital services and can support a wide range of high bandwidth applications at once. It can also be easily upgraded to meet increasing demands for bandwidth.

We've all heard the stories of people who cannot sign up for DSL service because there are no ports left. Or paying for 20 Mbps connections but only getting 2 Mbps due to old copper wires and/or distance from the exchange. Or losing connectivity every time it rains due to dodgy maintenance. FTTN won't solve those problems. FTTP will.

Why is the Coalition even proposing anything at all? Instead of giving us the opportunity to keep up with the rest of the world, they've decided to defer the expense until a later date. Their policy takes us back 10 years. That's how much of a backward step it is.

All that's needed to increase speed well beyond that is to upgrade equipment at each end of the fibre - relatively cheap as there's no civil works involved - the fibre stays in place. Compare that to the coalition's proposal - the copper will need to be ripped up and replaced with fibre, with costly upgrades and/or replacement also needing to occur at each node .Over time, the cost of Turnbull's plan will be far greater.

When it arrives, it's here to stay. It doesn't rust. The signal doesn't get dodgy with the rain. It is future proof. It is an investment in the future of Australia.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2013, 09:11:52 pm »
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1. Asylum Seekers
2. Education
3. Social issues
4. Workplace relations
5. Maybe health/hospitals or mining? Such a big list to choose from when for me there's the few "big issues" and the rest are sort of equally important.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2013, 09:37:55 pm »
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MJRomeo, I'm confused.  I was responding to what you quoted wrt Abbott's comment on the average household usage.  Now you seem annoyed I didn't address businesses in my response.  That's another issue entirely because I was merely addressing the matter of average household usage...business =/= average household.  I'm not going to argue your points because I don't disagree with them ;-;
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« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2013, 09:56:16 pm »
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1. Asylum Seekers
2. Education
3. Social issues
4. Workplace relations
5. Maybe health/hospitals or mining? Such a big list to choose from when for me there's the few "big issues" and the rest are sort of equally important.

Which there's no real decision to made on given both parties are offering the same bullshit.