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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #165 on: February 04, 2010, 11:29:29 am »
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Sporting carnivals, we had two and if you came to school and didn't want to go to the carnival you were looked at as a disgrace.

Yeah, I remember my head of house giving us this huge spiel about how we were "letting down the house" and "not doing our duty to the house" if we didn't turn up to house events like swimming and athletics.

Fail guilt trip though, I wagged them anyway :P

I was one of only 2 people in my house to not turn up to cross country one year I think. The managing teacher in my house was very, very strict about kids not showing up to stuff; he personally went around to every student in his house (over 300 kids) and asked if they were going to show up. When I said I had a piano exam, he called my Dad at work (on the same day) to ask if this was true =\

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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #166 on: February 04, 2010, 11:30:32 am »
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Sporting carnivals, we had two and if you came to school and didn't want to go to the carnival you were looked at as a disgrace.

Yeah, I remember my head of house giving us this huge spiel about how we were "letting down the house" and "not doing our duty to the house" if we didn't turn up to house events like swimming and athletics.

Fail guilt trip though, I wagged them anyway :P
  heh, I got a massive rollicking once for forgetting my polo top in the colour of my house

  unrelated, but I like the story about when  your ethics teacher gave you detention for missing a class because you had a 3/4 exam. You should have told him/her to look up the words 'irony' and 'duplicity' :)

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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #167 on: February 04, 2010, 11:33:56 am »
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  unrelated, but I like the story about when  your ethics teacher gave you detention for missing a class because you had a 3/4 exam. You should have told him/her to look up the words 'irony' and 'duplicity' :)

I can't believe you actually remember that haha. Nah he was our reverend, nobody really took him seriously :P

Is it just me or is this whole "house events" thing a feature of many private schools?
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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #168 on: February 04, 2010, 11:46:16 am »
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   yeah, we had houses and also ethics in yr 10 with a Rev. He was really funny; he would shout at the top of his voice, but not be the teeniest bit intimidating.
 that also calls to mind a friend, who defaced his ethics exam paper in protest at the subject and was hence stripped of his award for technical services *after* he had spent 5 hours from 7pm-midnight setting up the equipment in the hall where we had our end-of-year awards. I mean...
   Haha, there's this school in England which has a self-esteem curriculum, including "happiness prefects", liable to punish students not displaying the requisite levels of happiness ;D
 
 

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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #169 on: February 04, 2010, 12:14:37 pm »
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Sporting carnivals, we had two and if you came to school and didn't want to go to the carnival you were looked at as a disgrace.


PSP wifi marathon.

(It's not my fault I didn't partcipate in the actual running/swimming, I just wasn't fast enough to qualify for anything  :'( )

PSP ftw!

Anyway I always had epic humiliations with sports. Whether it was swimming, running, etc. Sometimes I felt like asking my house captain "why do I have to humiliate myself by entering a sporting event I can't do?".

What is even worse is my dad is a tennis coach (loved tennis as a kid) and my mum use to iceskate (which I'm ok at - can't wait for the winter olympics). I'm like the nerd of the family. :S

What was even better was when I went to the tennis club my dad coached at and I bumped into the guy who brought out the compulsory attendence in PE for school students in prep-year 10. :S
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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #170 on: February 04, 2010, 12:21:22 pm »
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Haha, there's this school in England which has a self-esteem curriculum, including "happiness prefects", liable to punish students not displaying the requisite levels of happiness ;D

ROFL.

Student: "I stuffed up on a test, oh man am I depressed"
Prefect: "You are going to have a detention for not being happy"
Student: "Can my day get any worse?"
Prefect: "Do you want another detention?"
 
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« Reply #171 on: February 04, 2010, 12:24:55 pm »
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   Haha, there's this school in England which has a self-esteem curriculum, including "happiness prefects", liable to punish students not displaying the requisite levels of happiness ;D

LOL, talk about defeating the purpose....
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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #172 on: February 04, 2010, 02:15:17 pm »
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Something else I was thinking of: the American entry system, from what I've heard, takes a very holistic approach to judging an application (correct me if I'm wrong btw). They look at your SAT scores, achievements, essays etc. and they judge you. It is more subjective than what we have in Australia in that way, but would people like ilmm like that sort of system more? But then that subjectivity would create it's own element of criticism...I'm not saying that it's better or worse, just food for thought. Note that they still place a high emphasis on English due to the essays you must submit.

I appreciate that you're not saying "[whether] it's better or worse", but I would like to weigh in. In theory the "holistic" American approach seems to be fairer, as it looks at a greater set of criteria, and also seems to produce more well-rounded students, due to the emphasis on extra-curriculars and essays.

However, from reading a lot of American media, I have come away with the impression that this approach is subject to a profound, overarching socio-economic bias. There are hugely expensive companies such as Ivywise that advise students on how to craft convincing essays, and to advise students on the right number of extra-curriculars to take, etc. Even if parents do not enlist the services of such a company (I'm imagining very few do use such a service), of course wealthier students have access to a broader range of extra-curricular activities and so forth. Whilst economic inequalities do similarly affect educational outcomes in systems like that of Australia, the unswerving focus on standardised testing means that admission basically comes down to prior academic preparation, which is more within an individual student's control.

Plus, if your school days are primarily focused upon preparing for SATs and amassing an impressive portfolio of school activities, one can imagine that actual learning falls by the wayside. Outside of the wealthier schools, or selective schools like Stuyvesant, I think the American high school student has a poorer preparation for tertiary study.

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Haha, there's this school in England which has a self-esteem curriculum, including "happiness prefects", liable to punish students not displaying the requisite levels of happiness
:o...
God, I hate bright and shiny people. I'm not saying everyone should walk around in a depressed fog, but that kind of imposed happiness seems downright oppressive.

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I have to agree with you on that.  So much time is wasted at school.  Currently, all of the studies I am taking require 17 contact hours per week at TAFE.  Why this nearly doubles at high school baffles me to be honest.  What you do in school is in my opinion, largely a waste of time.  Learning should be primarily an individual thing, and I tend to learn the most on my own at home.

I wouldn't mind if the school day were increased in length, but I agree that the amount of time wasted at school is horrendous. Part of it is down to disruptive students, lazy/late/just-damned-ineffectual teachers, and so on, but also, I found I spent a lot of time having to rock up to sports events (etc.) that I wasn't even allowed to participate in. How does this make me a better-adjusted person? If anything, it made me even more warped, haha. By all means, do extra-curricular activities to enrich yourself, but don't make them compulsory.

And more importantly, the school day ideally would be shorted, and made more "dense." Hard to say without personal experience, but the Chinese system/philosophy kind of appeals to me.
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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #173 on: February 04, 2010, 07:19:39 pm »
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This makes absolutely no sense. You were the top ~7%. Your study score reflects that. How are you being penalised? You got a GOOD score which reflects that fact that you are in the top 7%.
I have one correction, 43 places you in the top 3.7% of students. An extremely great achievement, super pro.

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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #174 on: February 04, 2010, 08:10:05 pm »
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This makes absolutely no sense. You were the top ~7%. Your study score reflects that. How are you being penalised? You got a GOOD score which reflects that fact that you are in the top 7%.
I have one correction, 43 places you in the top 3.7% of students. An extremely great achievement, super pro.

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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #175 on: February 04, 2010, 08:25:11 pm »
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Oh dear, wait til you start full time work. It's a lot worse. You should probably either get used to it or get on the dole.

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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #176 on: February 04, 2010, 11:31:55 pm »
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Here is a nice quote:

"It has been said that the primary function of schools is to impart enough facts to make children stop asking questions. Some, with whom the schools do not succeed, become scientists."
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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #177 on: February 05, 2010, 12:00:02 am »
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Okay ILMM, you just keep making your emotive, empty statements and go on ignoring all the logical arguments presented to you because you can't find a way to refute them. Good luck to you, seriously, you'll need it if you find reality so "offensive and inappropriate" (I won't bother asking why that was inappropriate because you'll just get all emotional again) and if you get so worked up over something so minor in the scheme of life. I'm done attempting to have any sort of mature discussion with you.


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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #178 on: February 05, 2010, 12:11:33 am »
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Okay ILMM, you just keep making your emotive, empty statements and go on ignoring all the logical arguments presented to you because you can't find a way to refute them. Good luck to you, seriously, you'll need it if you find reality so "offensive and inappropriate" (I won't bother asking why that was inappropriate because you'll just get all emotional again) and if you get so worked up over something so minor in the scheme of life. I'm done attempting to have any sort of mature discussion with you.


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This is a really long, articulate and logically sound reply to why your reply to the reply ILMM replied to your reply to her comments is inappropriate. There are probably many reasons supporting this, but actually no, I agree with you. QFT
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Re: Criticisms of the VCE
« Reply #179 on: February 05, 2010, 12:59:33 am »
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that's not articulate that's confusing as all hell