Post limit?

[taiga]

Should say it; ATARNotes in no way condones the distribution of copyright material.

[binders]

I was wondering when someone would come out and say it.  :laugh:
setting an official limit on a legally/ethically dodgy resource prolly isn't
a good idea.  By this I mean practice exams.
Notes, on the other hand, are completely original works
by AN members who don't infringe copyright or plagiarise at all.

[taiga]

Mate I'm cracking down hard.

[ninwa]

No.

When I said VCE Notes would always be free, I meant that in every sense, not just financially. Distinguishing on the basis of post count / respect is just as arbitrary and elitist as distinguishing on the basis of whether your parents have the money to spare for a membership fee.

Perhaps read the welcome message by enwiabe again. The primary purpose of this site is to contribute towards reducing the inequalities in the education system by providing resources to all students. For some this means asking for help on the forums. For others, this may just mean downloading whatever notes they need.

If you don't want "leechers" downloading your stuff then don't upload them. There are plenty of generous members here to take up the slack.

[enwiabe]

I was wondering when someone would come out and say it.  :laugh:
setting an official limit on a legally/ethically dodgy resource prolly isn't
a good idea.  By this I mean practice exams.
Notes, on the other hand, are completely original works
by AN members who don't infringe copyright or plagiarise at all.

? I removed a bunch of copyrighted material yesterday and warned the offending members. It's just that there's such a volume of posts that the mods can't catch every attachment and the ones that slip through we deal with when they're reported to us by the copyright owners, but if I see copyrighted material I'm certainly taking it down and that is the official site policy. We don't condone the posting of copyright material and never have so I don't understand why there is this ambiguity to it.

Secondly, there absolutely will never be a post limit to accessing resources. Period.

[binders]

yeah, it's clear that AN is against and actively monitoring against the site becoming a edu-warez site. that wasn't what i was getting at. 
i was puzzled that given the site policy, the OP was advocating official regulation of what are mostly copyright materials, and that the discussion had gone on so long considering it's a moot point.  it seems the most obvious objection, doesn't it?

Some practice exams i assume are made by members or public domain, and if you were to restrict access to them based on participation, then why not to notes or to forums?  It's likely that members get as much or more benefit from the notes and from the help of other members in the fora as from prac
exams. 

Atar's underlying issue seems fair enough, that some people don't put in, but they get the benefit.  But i'd guess that for most people who put in it isn't about fair reward, it's about helping others yeah? (even the fact the site exists at all - can't be much profit in it).

[iNerd]

I never said people put in just for resources - they put in because they want to.

The resources are merely a benefit "Here you go, thanks for helping!"

Anyways it is clear that we're flogging a dead horse here. Locked.

[Mao]

Unlocked. Active discussion is still going on.

[Russ]

By imposing a restriction upon who can access and who cannot access the material, he is removing the accessibility. You may think otherwise, but when it comes down to it, you can either access it as soon as you register, or you can not.

I agree entirely

[Mao]

I am strongly opposed to imposing a limit on downloading resources. The goal of our contributors (or at least the majority) is to freely and openly help others so that they receive a better education. We don't ask for anything in return, because we ourselves are repaying the debt we owe to FSN/VN/AN when it helped us immensely in our year 12 education. It is in this spirit that FSN/VN/AN has grown, that we give first, then hope it has made enough of a difference in the members' schooling that they feel compelled to give back to the community. This very philosophy is admirable, and I hope it will be in this spirit that AN will remain.

That and, the resources uploaded are at the courtesy of the uploader. If we were to restrict the accessibility, that is the discretion of the uploader, not the discretion of ATAR. I think many uploaders will agree to keep it unrestricted.

I have also been on sites where there has been a post limit on downloading. It just means the off-topic boards will be flooded constantly with crap so people can quickly get their 50 posts. Mods can try to stop that, but then new member uptake will drop very fast, essentially restricting the place to a handful of long-term members ('elitist', as iamtom put it).

[iNerd]

I fail to see how it's 'active discussion' when enwiabe has already closed the topic with a final decision.

You're just flogging a dead horse by saying the exact same thing albeit in 3 paragraphs.

Also if you read my post above I did quite clearly state that members help others because they want to :S

Secondly, there absolutely will never be a post limit to accessing resources. Period.

[werdna]

I like this forum and I'm grateful towards it and all, but 4 words:

It's just a forum.

[burbs]

I like this forum and I'm grateful towards it and all, but 4 words:

It's just a forum.

What's your point?

edit: not to be rude, I legitimately am confused at what you mean by this.

[werdna]

Basically what I was trying to say is that we shouldn't be taking these kinds of things so.. seriously? By that, I mean we shouldn't be writing massive 3-paragraph posts or arguing and arguing for ages on matters that aren't all that significant.

That was about it really - just people taking this place so seriously is getting on my nerves.

[iNerd]

Basically what I was trying to say is that we shouldn't be taking these kinds of things so.. seriously? By that, I mean we shouldn't be writing massive 3-paragraph posts or arguing and arguing for ages on matters that aren't all that significant.

That was about it really - just people taking this place so seriously is getting on my nerves.

This.

Especially after enwiabe made his statement...there's nothing left to argue.