The earnings of Arts graduates

[ninwa]

Why isn't there an "Engineering and Science criticism" thread?

Feel free to make one.

No thanks. I don't want to rile people up for no reason.

[jcc]

And again, what relevance did his list of esoteric arts subjects have?

Since when was relevance of importance in this forum?

Nothing changes the fact that they were just statements about Arts being presented. Without a normative statement (an input of personal values), they don't actually contend anything.

I suggest you take up bubbles sunglasses attitude. Just enjoy the fact that those subjects exist, rather than making assumptions about what others are trying to say about them. If he hasn't actually made any claims, and he continues to deny your interpretations of it, then so be it. Simply use your own values to make your own judgements about the facts - they needn't be negative judgements. If you find that the subject list is really so humiliating for Arts, then perhaps you should question your own values, rather than attributing them onto others.

I didn't say that the list was humiliating, now you're the one assuming, aren't you? In fact, I actually highlighted that those subjects had quite substantial uses. And yes, relevance does have importance considering that he keeps calling himself "the  messenger", if indeed he was merely a messenger, he would post only links which are directly relevant to the topic at hand. But he didn't, he instead lent himself to bias/an agenda and decided to post other links which are designed to highlight what he perceives to be the silliness of arts subjects.

The intentions of Brendan's posts are quite clear -- there's no need for him to spell out that he has a negative opinion of arts, it's already as clear as day.

[Nick]

And again, what relevance did his list of esoteric arts subjects have?

Since when was relevance of importance in this forum?

Nothing changes the fact that they were just statements about Arts being presented. Without a normative statement (an input of personal values), they don't actually contend anything.

I suggest you take up bubbles sunglasses attitude. Just enjoy the fact that those subjects exist, rather than making assumptions about what others are trying to say about them. If he hasn't actually made any claims, and he continues to deny your interpretations of it, then so be it. Simply use your own values to make your own judgements about the facts - they needn't be negative judgements. If you find that the subject list is really so humiliating for Arts, then perhaps you should question your own values, rather than attributing them onto others.

I didn't say that the list was humiliating, now you're the one assuming, aren't you? In fact, I actually highlighted that those subjects had quite substantial uses. And yes, relevance does have importance considering that he keeps calling himself "the  messenger", if indeed he was merely a messenger, he would post only links which are directly relevant to the topic at hand. But he didn't, he instead lent himself to bias/an agenda and decided to post other links which are designed to highlight what he perceives to be the silliness of arts subjects.

The intentions of Brendan's posts are quite clear -- there's no need for him to spell out that he has a negative opinion of arts, it's already as clear as day.

And maybe he had keep his opinion to himself and stop offending others by bumping up criticism threads and make statements which imply negativity towards Arts.

[Collin Li]

As for "assuming," I was saying if hypothetically. I wasn't actually sure whether you took offence to it in that way or not.

The intentions of Brendan's posts are quite clear -- there's no need for him to spell out that he has a negative opinion of arts, it's already as clear as day.

Impossible to say. You can attack it, but it will only lead to a careful dodge by Brendan, as he never actually stated his opinion. You can just present your argument as to why the facts aren't negative, rather than spew on about how much Brendan hates arts -- which cannot be determined.

[Nick]

Coblin,

The point is- people were offended by the way he pursued the discussion. It was geared negatively towards Arts and it won't be tolerated.

[daniel99]

As for "assuming," I was saying if hypothetically. I wasn't actually sure whether you took offence to it in that way or not.

The intentions of Brendan's posts are quite clear -- there's no need for him to spell out that he has a negative opinion of arts, it's already as clear as day.

Impossible to say. You can attack it, but it will only lead to a careful dodge by Brendan, as he never actually stated his opinion. You can just present your argument as to why the facts aren't negative, rather than spew on about how much Brendan hates arts -- which cannot be determined.

LOL i think everyone has determined Brendans attitudes towards arts..

[Nick]

As for "assuming," I was saying if hypothetically. I wasn't actually sure whether you took offence to it in that way or not.

The intentions of Brendan's posts are quite clear -- there's no need for him to spell out that he has a negative opinion of arts, it's already as clear as day.

Impossible to say. You can attack it, but it will only lead to a careful dodge by Brendan, as he never actually stated his opinion. You can just present your argument as to why the facts aren't negative, rather than spew on about how much Brendan hates arts -- which cannot be determined.

LOL i think everyone has determined Brendans attitudes towards arts..

Exactly- I'm pretty sure it was pretty easy to discern!

[Collin Li]

The point is- people were offended by the way he pursued the discussion. It was geared negatively towards Arts and it won't be tolerated.

What exactly won't be tolerated?

You can pursue your attacks on some straw-man's arguments, but I can assure you that you are taking offence to your own imagination.

If there are implied (as you believe) notions that you find offensive, then respond to them without addressing Brendan, because he will not accept that he dealt that argument.

[TrueLight]

lol this argument is hilarious brendan+coblin vs nick+jcc.... but i agree with the above (not anymore) lolz he doesnt have to state it to imply it and if he wasnt implying it then hes done a bad job constructing his post


ahh flooding of replies! lol

ouu so many ppl looking at this thread ... has this been the most argued thread? lol

[jcc]

As for "assuming," I was saying if hypothetically. I wasn't actually sure whether you took offence to it in that way or not.

My mistake. I apologise.

The intentions of Brendan's posts are quite clear -- there's no need for him to spell out that he has a negative opinion of arts, it's already as clear as day.

Impossible to say. You can attack it, but it will only lead to a careful dodge by Brendan, as he never actually stated his opinion. You can just present your argument as to why the facts aren't negative, rather than spew on about how much Brendan hates arts -- which cannot be determined.

You're right, we can't know whether he really does hate arts per se (we can't know that for sure -- although we can speculate). But the fact that he continues to post links ad nauseaum that are disparaging against arts perceives him to have some sort of agenda against it. The way in which he presents his links, etc can be attacked for it quite patently shows some sort of aversion towards Arts. People certainly have a right to attack Brendan for continuing to persist with his continuous posting of links. The problem people have is that Brendan feels compelled to continually draw attention to the labor market problems of Arts degrees, etc rather than the actual statistics themselves.

And moreover, considering the intelligence of Brendan, its very hard to imagine that he didn't contemplate how his posts could've been construed when he posted it. It must've been clear that people would've interpreted it as an attack against Arts.

[BA22]

Who cares? Really.

If this was a science course based discussion, it would have not gotten past 2 pages. I think more than just Brendan's posts are fuelling the fire on this debate. I'm not blaming anyone, or taking a side, but we all have a bit of a laugh at arts students, even arts students themselves. The eng kids are always paying themselves out and med students always rip on each other, using the generalisations. I don't think Brendan said anything that outlandish, i've heard much worse said about arts degrees. (Monash students check out a toilet wall scrawl in the Rotunda building. I thnk most people posting here have a problem with brendan, and not so much with what he's actually saying

[Collin Li]

The problem people have is that Brendan feels compelled to continually draw attention to the labor market problems of Arts degrees, etc rather than the actual statistics themselves.

But why is that a problem?

If you find the labour market problems of Arts degrees annoying, then do something about it, or simply don't read the thread. If you don't, then it shouldn't even be annoying - instead, you can take the attitude of the less defensive, who simply say they're not too concerned about these issues.

Once again, there are positive statements and normative statements. All that has been presented by him are positive statements. You choose the normative statements yourself.

If you find the barrage of positive statements annoying, ignore his posts, or post some of your own positive statements.

[TrueLight]

hahaha maybe...lolz   dam coblin butted in

[BA22]

lol this argument is hilarious brendan+coblin vs nick+jcc.... but i agree with the above (not anymore) lolz he doesnt have to state it to imply it and if he wasnt implying it then hes done a bad job constructing his post


ahh flooding of replies! lol

ouu so many ppl looking at this thread ... has this been the most argued thread? lol

Nah, check out the epic God debate thread, went on for ages, over 400 replies

[TrueLight]

ouu thats heeeaps