Do you believe in god?

[BA22]

We don't know, one day we will, but it's unlikely god created hydrogen and said, lets see what happens in 4 billion years

[costargh]

I don't believe that science will ever produce an answer for creation that would be accepted by an overwhelming majority of people.

[ninwa]

The Flying Spaghetti Monster God.

Prove me wrong.

HEY we share the same belief
=P

Yay! All hail Flying Spaghetti Monster *kowtows*

[brendan]

I don't believe that science will ever produce an answer for creation that would be accepted by an overwhelming majority of people.

Well that's assuming that the university was "created".

[BA22]

That's because alot of people are stupid and want to loved unconditionally (eg. prisoners turning to god) and live forever

I don't believe that science will ever produce an answer for creation that would be accepted by an overwhelming majority of people.

Well that's assuming that the university was "created".

Exactly, it could have always existed

[sheepz]

I don't think anyone can really say they understand all of God's actions and thinking. God has also gave human the wisdom to devise and allocate medicine to cure AIDS.

Believing in God, I reckon, needs a lot of faith - to believe something that you can't comprehend. The God I believe in doesn't want to force people into believing that He exists. He wants to give people a choice to believe what they want and find out for themselves. That's why, in my opinion, I think He doesn't give us much really solid, convincing, obvious facts and evidences that He exists. Although I cannot explain everything about God, I still believe He exists because also of all the supernatural things I've heard, seen and experienced.

LOL i think by 4 billion years we won't be here to witness what happens XD

Brendan, how do you think that the universe exist without being created then? How does something just have always existed? Isn't it logical that there must have been a starting point?

[ninwa]

I still believe He exists because also of all the supernatural things I've heard, seen and experienced.

Examples please?

[brendan]

I don't think anyone can really say they understand all of God's actions and thinking. God has also gave human the wisdom to devise and allocate medicine to cure AIDS.

Believing in God, I reckon, needs a lot of faith - to believe something that you can't comprehend. The God I believe in doesn't want to force people into believing that He exists. He wants to give people a choice to believe what they want and find out for themselves. That's why, in my opinion, I think He doesn't give us much really solid, convincing, obvious facts and evidences that He exists. Although I cannot explain everything about God, I still believe He exists because also of all the supernatural things I've heard, seen and experienced.

Your whole post assumes the existence of a supernatural being. Yet you have not established that it is true.

[costargh]

But its "logically flawed" to assume that something does not have a starting point.

[ninwa]

But its "logically flawed" to assume that something does not have a starting point.

Following on from that then, God must have a starting point.

[brendan]

But its "logically flawed" to assume that something does not have a starting point.

Why must it be necessarily the case that the universe must have been "created"?

[Collin Li]

But its "logically flawed" to assume that something does not have a starting point.

Actually, it isn't any more logically flawed than assuming that something does have a starting point. I think we all need to understand that brendan is just defending the middle-ground here. He is not making a claim for the non-existence of God, instead he is just defending neutrality from illogical claims.

[brendan]

Brendan, how do you think that the universe exist without being created then?

You made the claim that the whole world was created by a god. The onus is on you to prove it, not me.

[costargh]

This is speaking in general terms, not just that it must have been God.
But something can not exist if it never had a starting point in time and space. It's just a fundamental idea of life.
I wont use the word "created" but the universe must have begun somewhere.

[BA22]

Nina's got it

If we can't assume the universe has always existed, then we can't assume god has.